Do Spyders have "black boxes"?

[Culpjp]

Actually your Insurance company or law enforcement can ASK you for the data but they cannot require you to submit it. The black box is YOUR property as is the data it contains. This has been upheld in many court cases.

Its also the largest reason you will never own a self driving car. They will all be owned by companies and provide you a service. The company that owns the vehicles will own the data and likely large enough to be self insured.

All that means is they need a subpoena and they can have access to the data recorder, and they will do that.

 

[Spiceman64]

Airline black boxes

Being an airline guy, I can tell you that hundreds, if not thousands of data elements are stored in the black (or orange) boxes. In fact, much of the data is transmitted in real time from the ACARS box on board down to HQ for analysis. We know if a pilot botched an approach, and how (too high, too low, too fast, too slow, etc.)

So yes, some companies know every move their employees make, from the minute the “office door” closes, to the minute it opens.

We use the data for engine performance info, fuel comsumption, and for training purposes. I don’t think we’ve ever fired anyone based on the data, but I don’t know that for sure.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

In fact, at least one insurance company advertises letting you stick a thingie in your car to track your driving habits in the hopes of letting you prove yourself worthy of paying a lower rate. One of my hay customers did that and was sorely sorry she did (various reasons I won't bore you with, but nothing that was her fault).

That's kind of like when I was a teenager 60 years ago. Mom always complained about her car insurance rates going up year after year. I figured out back then that buying car insurance was one time that the more honest you were the more it cost you! :yes:

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Collecting info

Did you see the news today about how Fitbit and like devices are jeopardizing military security by the data they collect and display? My friend tells me if you want to see your own data on your phone you MUST subscribe to the satellite monitoring service.

 

[Bob Denman]

My Missus has a fit-Bit... that isn't true. nojoke

 

[jcthorne]

Thanks for this info; I'll pass it on to our ABATE members (that the black box has been proven to be our property).

OMG, autonomous cars ... the ultimate proof that we've gone completely insane. And, according to our Michigan ABATE secretary, they're our biggest threat as "there is no consideration or mention of motorcycles existing with self driven cars."

Seems appropriate then that the first real court battle over liability of an accident with a self driving car involves GM and a motorcycle rider. It just got filed and made the news in the last few days. Unfortunately, like most incidents involving self driving cars, had the accincent involved two human drivers, the car would not be at fault. IE in the case going to court, it would have been the driver of the motorcycle at fault. This will likely be the case for most incidents involving self driving cars.

I am not sure what you mean by 'no consideration or mention of motorcycles with self driven cars' but I can tell you that programming for recognizing motorcycles and their particular movement traits has indeed been considered and handled for autonomous cars. How well remains to be seen. But its not been ignored.

 

[jcthorne]

All that means is they need a subpoena and they can have access to the data recorder, and they will do that.

Actually its a bit more complicated. That works for corporate vehicles but not so easy for individually owned ones. The courts have held that the data belongs to the owner and the owner cannot be forced to testify against himself. In large cases, its usually the owners insurance company that is providing the legal defence and reviews the data before the decision to provide it to the prosecution is made.

So yes, law enforcement can get the data but much like the data on your home computer, they have to prove a bit more than desire to get it. And a judge must approve it.

 

[Road-Kill]

At our ABATE meeting tonight, I learned that if your bike has an ABS (anti-lock brake system) it probably also has a "black box". This is the computer's log of every computer-referred move you've made within a certain time frame, although I'm not clear on if it's limited to braking. Hence, if you hit a deer, e.g., they can tell when, if, how hard and for how long you tried to brake.

The discussion arose because of the question of who owns that black box; you, your insurance company, or the manufacturer. My owner's manual boasts the ABS, so do our Spyders have a black box? If so, where are they typically located?

It's best to consider Big Brother watching everything you do.
Not trying to sound paranoid but your cell phone is the number one way "they" track you.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...eals-secret-us-military-bases-cia-black-sites

 

[ARtraveler]

The discussion is indeed getting interesting. And...staying civil in the process. :bowdown::bowdown:

The "secret," don't say anything, do anything, or go anyplace that you don't want broadcast from the hilltops and mountains. "They" can find the information...if...they want to. So far, I think I am pretty good. :roflblack::roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

That's because your hilltops and mountains are more remote than ours... :thumbup:

 

[ruralgirl]

Seems appropriate then that the first real court battle over liability of an accident with a self driving car involves GM and a motorcycle rider. It just got filed and made the news in the last few days. Unfortunately, like most incidents involving self driving cars, had the accincent involved two human drivers, the car would not be at fault. IE in the case going to court, it would have been the driver of the motorcycle at fault. This will likely be the case for most incidents involving self driving cars.

I am not sure what you mean by 'no consideration or mention of motorcycles with self driven cars' but I can tell you that programming for recognizing motorcycles and their particular movement traits has indeed been considered and handled for autonomous cars. How well remains to be seen. But its not been ignored.

Yes, he meant that driverless cars don't recognize MCs, so I'm very glad to read your post. Doesn't make me feel much better, though. As soon as I start seeing them around here, especially on our rural roads, I'll no longer road-ride my horses or quad, or maybe even my Spyder. It's just gotten too insane.

I have to wonder what this will do to Michigan's catastrophic accident fund with regards to motorcycles. Tacked onto our annual insurance, we have to pay $150 (going to be something like $200 or $250 this year) for every vehicle that we own, including motorcycles. But if a motorcycle has an accident with no car involved (or if you can't prove it because the driver took off), the rider gets zilch. If a car is involved, the car's coverage allows the motorcyclist to get the fund's benefits. I wonder if the driverless car "lobby" will eventually have enough influence to exempt themselves from the equation when they slaughter motorcyclists.

 

[ruralgirl]

It's best to consider Big Brother watching everything you do.
Not trying to sound paranoid but your cell phone is the number one way "they" track you.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...eals-secret-us-military-bases-cia-black-sites

I've never owned a cell phone, and the more I hear stuff like this, the less likely I am to ever get one. And when the sad day comes that I have to euthanize my F250 and get a new one, if it's got GPS in it so that they can always track me, I'll find a way to disable it.