Disrespectful Spyder owners

[Rob Rodriguez]

Flame me if you want, but I also took the "in production" tour of the factory where the workers were building snow machines. It was really cool to watch. I felt kind of bad that all those people had to do their job while a bunch of us gawked at them from the mezzanine.

Now here comes the part where the haters will flame.

Everyone was told on the way in, no photos, no video. BRP could have confiscated phones and cameras before the tour. Instead, they went with the trust system. They asked us not to take pictures. During the tour, I am embarrassed to say, everyone around me that was trying to take pictures was one of my fellow American Citizens. Even after I told one nice lady, who's daughter was in the US Navy, that photos where prohibited, the guy in front of me snuck out his crappy little 10 your old point-and-shoot kodak and bragged to his buddy that he was taking 'old school secret pics'.

The worst part was when he was caught. He smiled, played dumb and said, "sorry, I didn't know". He lied. When people started to linger at a certain point, I went around them to see more. Again, another one of my fellow Citizens got caught taking pics with his phone. Again, this other guy smiled, played dumb and said, "sorry, I didn't know".

The BRP people just politely admonished them and let them continue on.

Try doing that someplace in the U.S.A. where photos are prohibited and your phone or camera might just be confiscated so the pictures can be removed. They might even get the police involved.

That is the infuriating part. When you visit a different country, you are an ambassador of our United States of America. People will form their opinions about Americans by your behavior. Those guys made us ALL look bad.

A great many of my fellow Citizens in the US claim the moral high ground of 'playing by the rules' and 'personal responsibility'.

It's tragic that those ideals end the moment they leave their home town.

Let the flames begin.

I am not going to follow this thread, so if you don't like what I have written, report me, I don't care

Lamont, if you want to delete this post, feel free. It's YOUR message board and much to some peoples dismay, there are no First Amendment rights violated if you do so.

By the way, I had a great time at the event. Met some very nice people and can't wait for the next one.

CAC

It was made very clear on the tours that no pictures or video was allowed. This post is 100% on the money.

For most people a picture of an assembly line or a room with equipment probably would mean nothing but if a person looking at the photo knew what they were looking at then it could tell them a lot. As an example....on the tours I was on I could see specifically what type of design/CAD software they were using. This was just from looking at a couple of the display screens. To the average person this would mean nothing. Since this is my background it tells me a lot about the level of technology they have access too, the ability of that technology to aid in design and manufacturing, what other companies/software they can (or most likely) interface with and a whole bunch of different processes they most likely use to arrive at a finished product.

 

[jcthorne]

What part of 'NO PHOTOS ALLOWED' is confusing?
the signs clearly said it and those starting us off on the tours clearly stated it.

There is no confusion on how to interpret this.

Fine. I did not see the sign, only the description of it that was posted here. My point was more about BRP expecting the respect of owners in attendance when they turn around and disrespect them at other times. Respect has to be a two way street.

 

[Tango]

I'm going to say something different. While talking to a guy on the line about where the horn was on the F3. And how to get at it. My wife pulled her camera out of her pocket. She was quickly told, no photos. The guy looked over both shoulders and quickly said ok, takes photos quick quick! At the dyno station, we asked how many do they test in an hour? The reply we got was, "I can't talk to you about it". He then looked around and said you didn't hear this from me. We do 3-4 per hour. And they have two dyno's. So? Are rules made to be broken? And by whom? As far as pics being taken. What's the secret? Take all phones, cameras at the door. As far as items being taken. That's Fing BS! He should have been thrown out and banned from any future BRP events! We found the factory people to be very outgoing and friendly. And they bent the rules as much as possible. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

 

[wyliec]

Just searched. They have been taken down by the moderators. Along with some other slightly negative responses to the 10th anniversary editions.

Besides Lamont, who else is a moderator on here? Or, are they like secret shoppers, and you are not allowed to know their identity?

 

[Trbayth]

Fine. I did not see the sign, only the description of it that was posted here. My point was more about BRP expecting the respect of owners in attendance when they turn around and disrespect them at other times. Respect has to be a two way street.

Then you had to have been blind or completely oblivious to what was around you. There wasn't a single sign in a dimly lit corner. There were signs everywhere with a "no" symbol over an image of a camera. When you were standing in line outside the factory or the design center the guides specifically mentioned several times that pictures were not permitted once you were past a specific point.

Their factory, their rules. Don't like it? Don't go.

 

[Bob Denman]

So anyone who comes to your office is ok to take pix of stuff that might be on your desk? Stuff that may or may not contain client info.

Bring your camera: I've got no signs forbidding them...
:lecturef_smilie: But we DO make sure that nothing confidential is lying about...nojoke

 

[Bob Denman]

Besides Lamont, who else is a moderator on here? Or, are they like secret shoppers, and you are not allowed to know their identity?

Lamont (Of course...)
and at least one other moderator.
But his name is unimportant; it's the job that he does, that is important. :thumbup:

 

[crazycanuck]

:chat:

:nopic:

 

[Habib]

Hard to believe there are adults on this board that would condone not following and not follow the rules of the host.:wrong:

 

[wyliec]

Rules were meant to be broken, just like those pesky speed limit signs along side the road. I'm only concerned with what I do, and not what someone else does, as long as it has no detrimental affect on me.

 

[ThreeWheels]

Rules were meant to be broken, just like those pesky speed limit signs along side the road. I'm only concerned with what I do, and not what someone else does, as long as it has no detrimental affect on me.

Well yeah !!, That's what happens. One moron breaks the rules and then everyone has to suffer the consequences.

 

[wyliec]

ThreeWheels,

That is hilarious.:thumbup:

 

[SpyderConvert]

Not Quite On-Topic

After all that has been said about picture taking at the Homecoming and being a photographer myself, I have to agree that signs that are posted stating No Photographs MUST be obeyed. It is just common courtesy to obey the rules when you are in someone else's house (oops, I forgot, common courtesy ISN'T).

I will also say this about Canadians, I went to Canada in 1972 and stood in awe at the beauty! I was taking photographs on the street in Montreal when I felt a tap on my shoulder, when I turned to see who it was, I was facing a policeman. He said: "I apologize"; not knowing what he was talking about, I asked: "For what, sir?", he replied: "I'm sorry, I know that these vehicles parked at the curb are spoiling your pictures, but I have no way to move them". I thanked the officer for his courtesy and walked away shaking my head in disbelief! THAT is courtesy!

 

[Bob Denman]

People will usually try to treat you in the same manner that you treat them...
Good guests; make good hosts even better! :clap: