Disenchanted With BRP Rear tire is A PIECE OF (all you all fill in the blank)

[granpa in Cincy]

bridgestones worked for me on my three wings. 15000 to 20000 each time.

 

[murphybrown]

Hi Mike & Carolyn...and

So we bought a 2014 Limited because we love to tour. The T in RT is for touring Right?

So in a couple of weeks we will set out for an 10000 mile Cancer fund raising trip called The Ride For The Relay.

I would love love to complete this ride with the group I set out with. But that is probably impossible since I will need to replace at least 1 rear tire possible 2 during this trip.

are you serious!?

Is BRP ADDRESSING THIS ? Or like most other engineering issues, burying their head in the sand. I am becoming disenchanted.

First tell more about the trip. Second on '14 tires...my personal experience is that BRP created a bad formula for the OEM tires on the '14's....so you have some options as I see it...if you have one of the good guy dealers...get them to file a warranty on all tires on C's '14 ... they did on mine and well as I have read on SL's several others who have gotten the replacements. I choose to put a car tire on the rear (BRP did not pay for the tire...but they did pay for having it mounted..the OEM was at wear bars at 3800 miles)...I am close to 10k miles on that new auto rear tire and it looks brand new. (fyi some dealers will not mount unless it is an OEM). Couple weeks? You have time to get all 3 replaced. My fronts were "cupping"...I have learned sooooo much about tires I'm thinking of hanging out a consulting shingle...especially 622 trailer tires :yikes. So that is my input and experience and life is great for me and will be even better when the trailer issue is finally resolved (set #5 being installed at Redding CA dealer today)...and that is becoming closer to being done. Will keep you posted on that little adventure also...:thumbup:

 

[Jim&Teresa]

Thanks for the info MurphyBrown

First tell more about the trip. Second on '14 tires...my personal experience is that BRP created a bad formula for the OEM tires on the '14's....so you have some options as I see it...if you have one of the good guy dealers...get them to file a warranty on all tires on C's '14 ... they did on mine and well as I have read on SL's several others who have gotten the replacements. I choose to put a car tire on the rear (BRP did not pay for the tire...but they did pay for having it mounted..the OEM was at wear bars at 3800 miles)...I am close to 10k miles on that new auto rear tire and it looks brand new. (fyi some dealers will not mount unless it is an OEM). Couple weeks? You have time to get all 3 replaced. My fronts were "cupping"...I have learned sooooo much about tires I'm thinking of hanging out a consulting shingle...especially 622 trailer tires :yikes. So that is my input and experience and life is great for me and will be even better when the trailer issue is finally resolved (set #5 being installed at Redding CA dealer today)...and that is becoming closer to being done. Will keep you posted on that little adventure also...:thumbup:

MurphyBrown,

I appreciate this info. as I will have my 2014 RT Limited at the dealer tomorrow to mount the Kumho Ecsta AST. I had already asked the dealership to file the labor portion as warranty work. Based on what you had stated, it looks like BRP will pay for the mounting of the tire...that truly is all I'm looking for as I already purchased the Kumho from Discount Tire. I hope they pick-up those labor charges for the tire change....I will find out tomorrow!

Thanks again for your great communications! :firstplace:

 

[Mspiv]

Hi MSPIV...
Not sure what the MSPIV is for but...
You must tell me what brand of tire you are using on your GoldWing, I have had 5
GoldWings from 1976 to present and have never got better than 8,200 miles on the rear
and the best I ever got on the front was 17,000 miles, I have used Dunlap, Michelin, Conti Twins.
Pirelli, Avon, you name it I am looking to replace my rear tire on the Wing right now what do you
suggest?
As for the Spyder they get crapy tire milage try going with a car tire I did and it works great and will
out last the stock tire and will cost less to buy.
I would love to go on your adventure that ride sounds great, My wife and I did a 28 day moto tour to
Mexico 3 years ago and ended up with 14,267 miles ...
Dave



QUOTE=Mspiv;859935]I am am perfectly capable of finding a dealer to change a tire. I would like to keep up with the group I am riding with. The hotels are all arraigned and none of the allow for a tire change stop . And no oil change neede. I will be a bit over the 9200 mile range but not that bad.

as for Milage on motorcycle tires go, I ride a Goldwing. I tour heavily loaded, and I get at least 20k or better on tires

[/QUOTE]

I am getting great info and advice on this thread.
breifly, on my GLs I have always run Dunlap E3s. They can get noisey but great Milage and traction. I just switched to Bridgestones G 704/709 likening them so far .not noisy

mike s

 

[Mspiv]

The trip Ride for the Relay

First tell more about the trip. Second on '14 tires...my personal experience is that BRP created a bad formula for the OEM tires on the '14's....so you have some options as I see it...if you have one of the good guy dealers...get them to file a warranty on all tires on C's '14 ... they did on mine and well as I have read on SL's several others who have gotten the replacements. I choose to put a car tire on the rear (BRP did not pay for the tire...but they did pay for having it mounted..the OEM was at wear bars at 3800 miles)...I am close to 10k miles on that new auto rear tire and it looks brand new. (fyi some dealers will not mount unless it is an OEM). Couple weeks? You have time to get all 3 replaced. My fronts were "cupping"...I have learned sooooo much about tires I'm thinking of hanging out a consulting shingle...especially 622 trailer tires :yikes. So that is my input and experience and life is great for me and will be even better when the trailer issue is finally resolved (set #5 being installed at Redding CA dealer today)...and that is becoming closer to being done. Will keep you posted on that little adventure also...:thumbup:

hello MB
tires, just got a KUMHO for the rear of the 14. Dealer will mount it Thursday. Rear has about 5k on it and just about to go to wear bars. Hope the KUMHO does better.

THE TRIP

i have been doing a Route 66 cancer fund raising ride for a couple of years. It is called Ride for the Relay. Www.ridefortherelay.org. C, on her Spyder and I on the Goldwing, will leave here on Sept 1 and meet 60 + riders in Chicago. On sept 6 we leave Navy Pier and 12 days later we end on Santa Monica pier (several pairs of Big Girl Panties required). The way back, we are on our own as far as return route goes. Of course others are welcome to join us. We have decided to come back on a southerly route to avoid any potential cold, inclement winter weather at altitude and to also hit as many national parks as possible. So Palm Desert (family), Las Vegas (C has never been there), Utah (my favorite riding), Zion Bryce, Arches, 4 corners, Mesa Verde, Durango, Dalas Tx (family), Arkasas (family), Graceland, Lancaster Pa, Home around October 8.

You are still the Best, Worst influence we have ever met and we love you for it. Now where do we get the Big Girl Panties..

M&C

 

[Fat Crip]

I'm puzzled by all this tyre chat. I've ridden biked for 30 years and had many, but rear tyres have always been expendable. 1,500 - 2,000 on the back of a Buell 4-5,000 on the front was about standard. Kawasaki GT 550 was 3 or 4 times that, but, to me, that's just what I expect from soft, grippy bike rubber. I'd be scared to death fitting hard , relatively slippy car tyres on a motorcycle.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

TIRES-----TIRES-----TIRES

I'm puzzled by all this tyre chat. I've ridden biked for 30 years and had many, but rear tyres have always been expendable. 1,500 - 2,000 on the back of a Buell 4-5,000 on the front was about standard. Kawasaki GT 550 was 3 or 4 times that, but, to me, that's just what I expect from soft, grippy bike rubber. I'd be scared to death fitting hard , relatively slippy car tyres on a motorcycle.

:gaah:....Since you are a NEWBIE I'll go slowly..........You are comparing apples to oranges .......Real Mtc tires on a Real (two wheel ) Mtc. wear out completely different from what happens on a Spyder..............Mtc's lean...../ \ / \ ...Spyders don't .......I completely agree with you that CAR tires on a TWO wheel Mtc is not a Good idea .............But the Spyder is really more like a " MORGAN CAR " just without the bodywork....And no one who is putting CAR tires on the Spyder is having any issues with TRACTION.......Me included , and I've logged over 25,000 miles using various car tires .......................Mikeguyver :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[KyPadre]

Wow

I am am perfectly capable of finding a dealer to change a tire. I would like to keep up with the group I am riding with. The hotels are all arraigned and none of the allow for a tire change stop . And no oil change neede. I will be a bit over the 9200 mile range but not that bad.

as for Milage on motorcycle tires go, I ride a Goldwing. I tour heavily loaded, and I get at least 20k or better on tires

Wish I had known you the 40 yrs I rode a Goldwing... NEVER got anywhere near 20K.... would have loved to steal your secret formula I'm on my first 7K on the '14 RT-S and still have a good amount of tread on the back tire..... hoping I was lucky enough to get one of the "older formula" tires...... Time will tell....

 

[Bob Denman]

I used to get 4,000 out of the OEM Dunlaps...
Got 6,000 miles out of the first Kenda, and thought I was in Heaven!

 

[lchain]

tire wear

I found it interesting that the Arachnid that is on my Spyder is wearing on the outer edges. If Vee Rubber and Kenda got together and took the middle of Arachnid and the sides of the Kenda maybe they could make a tire that would last. :gaah:

put more air in the tire, I started at 26 psi and adjust from there.

 

[lchain]

tire options

So we bought a 2014 Limited because we love to tour. The T in RT is for touring Right?

So in a couple of weeks we will set out for an 10000 mile Cancer fund raising trip called The Ride For The Relay.

I would love love to complete this ride with the group I set out with. But that is probably impossible since I will need to replace at least 1 rear tire possible 2 during this trip.

are you serious!?

Is BRP ADDRESSING THIS ? Or like most other engineering issues, burying their head in the sand. I am becoming disenchanted.

I may be to late but I put a nitto nt 450 205/55/15r on my new 14 rt and the speedo and rpm's match the kendas perfectly. good tire good on wet and dry roads. took about 600 mi. to brake in now even better. got the tire at big O tire , 105 plus tax took to my dealer and had it mounted 90. total 195 and I don't look to change it for 30,000 mi. at the soonest. tire is so close to the same width as the old junk kenda you can't even measure the difference. and don't tell them what your buying the tire for. good luck.

 

[Fat Crip]

:gaah:....Since you are a NEWBIE I'll go slowly..........You are comparing apples to oranges .......Real Mtc tires on a Real (two wheel ) Mtc. wear out completely different from what happens on a Spyder..............Mtc's lean...../ \ / \ ...Spyders don't .......I completely agree with you that CAR tires on a TWO wheel Mtc is not a Good idea .............But the Spyder is really more like a " MORGAN CAR " just without the bodywork....And no one who is putting CAR tires on the Spyder is having any issues with TRACTION.......Me included , and I've logged over 25,000 miles using various car tires .......................Mikeguyver :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Wonderfully condescending! As a NEWBIE I couldn't possibly have a valid opinion now could I? The fact that I'm amazed that a tyre on a motorcycle of any variety can last anything like 6-10,000 miles must mean I'm an idiot, right? But, hey, why not throw in a reference to, I can only assume you mean the Morgan 3 wheelers, to divert from the real issues? An anachronistic throwback to the 1930's with half the power to weight ratio of a Spyder and a frame made out of wood. Any tyre suitable for that will surely suit a Spyder? Really? I push my Spyder hard, round twisty Scottish roads where grip counts over mileage every time. I'm trying to keep up with bikes and mostly succeed. I need grip in the corner and traction on the exit. I do have traction issues that adding a car tyre could only exacerbate - but I'm just a NEWBIE so, clearly, a 'no one'! Get off your high horse and wind your neck in!

 

[PW2013STL]

Fat Chip,

My expeareance with the stock rear tire was that it would skip out when pushed hard. I beleive due to it's two ply rating. My wife would complain loudly and I would have to slow down to keep her happy. After I put the Khumo car tire on I found that it would hold the line better ( no skip out) and I can now take those curves a lot faster with no complaints from the wife.
Bottom line - the car tire handles better and the bonus is that it lasts longer as I now have more miles on it then the OEM and it still looks new.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

Wonderfully condescending! As a NEWBIE I couldn't possibly have a valid opinion now could I? The fact that I'm amazed that a tyre on a motorcycle of any variety can last anything like 6-10,000 miles must mean I'm an idiot, right? But, hey, why not throw in a reference to, I can only assume you mean the Morgan 3 wheelers, to divert from the real issues? An anachronistic throwback to the 1930's with half the power to weight ratio of a Spyder and a frame made out of wood. Any tyre suitable for that will surely suit a Spyder? Really? I push my Spyder hard, round twisty Scottish roads where grip counts over mileage every time. I'm trying to keep up with bikes and mostly succeed. I need grip in the corner and traction on the exit. I do have traction issues that adding a car tyre could only exacerbate - but I'm just a NEWBIE so, clearly, a 'no one'! Get off your high horse and wind your neck in!

We take twistys pretty hard over here, too, and I believe more plys will cause it to grip better. Now, if you are 90 lbs. soaking wet and ride one up (which I'm not and I don't) a car tire may not work for you! When I first joined the sight here, I got put off by a few around here, but quickly found that the wealth of information was worth a little crap every once in a while. Hang in there!

 

[KX5062]

Wonderfully condescending! As a NEWBIE I couldn't possibly have a valid opinion now could I? The fact that I'm amazed that a tyre on a motorcycle of any variety can last anything like 6-10,000 miles must mean I'm an idiot, right? But, hey, why not throw in a reference to, I can only assume you mean the Morgan 3 wheelers, to divert from the real issues? An anachronistic throwback to the 1930's with half the power to weight ratio of a Spyder and a frame made out of wood. Any tyre suitable for that will surely suit a Spyder? Really? I push my Spyder hard, round twisty Scottish roads where grip counts over mileage every time. I'm trying to keep up with bikes and mostly succeed. I need grip in the corner and traction on the exit. I do have traction issues that adding a car tyre could only exacerbate - but I'm just a NEWBIE so, clearly, a 'no one'! Get off your high horse and wind your neck in!

We take twistys pretty hard over here, too, and I believe more plys will cause it to grip better. Now, if you are 90 lbs. soaking wet and ride one up (which I'm not and I don't) a car tire may not work for you! When I first joined the sight here, I got put off by a few around here, but quickly found that the wealth of information was worth a little crap every once in a while. Hang in there!

Yes, unfortunately not all members are welcoming and realize that just because a person is new to this forum means little in their ability to contribute or overall wealth of knowledge and experience. :thumbup:

As far as Spyder tires go, I think the common wisdom is they are made to a price point (to be kind) and their performance is adequate, but just. A variety of automotive tires seem to perform better and have longer life at the same time.

 

[tallow98]

Tires

Hi Guys:

I used to work for Goodyear. They make different tires per contract for the auto companies. The auto companies told them how much they were gonna spend per auto and if Goodyear wanted their business, they had to meet that price. So the tires made just for that company were not as high quality as what is in the tire stores. That is probably what Can Am does.



Tallow

Yes, unfortunately not all members are welcoming and realize that just because a person is new to this forum means little in their ability to contribute or overall wealth of knowledge and experience. :thumbup:

As far as Spyder tires go, I think the common wisdom is they are made to a price point (to be kind) and their performance is adequate, but just. A variety of automotive tires seem to perform better and have longer life at the same time.

 

[syclemom]

rear tires

My wifes 2010 rts has been running general altimax rt 215/60-15 rear pretty much since new, average 25000mi. or so she almost only rides 1 up so scuffs tire pretty bad run 17psi. 1 up 20psi. when pulling bunkhouse camper , factory tires and recommended pressure ratings are ridiculous , she has 65000miles now . She also has 175/65-14 General Altimax fronts ,@ 21psi. about to change with 35000mi. on then lots of tread but starting to cup . Hope this helps someone, I think some have changed shocks trying to fix an inferior tire problem the fronts handle MUCH better than oem. due to better sidewall construction, and since I know someone will ask "0" issues since new with different tire sizes. She rode this bike from S.E. Texas to P.C. Hwy 1 and then to Alaska no issues.

 

[Roadster Renovations]

An update on my 14 RTS rear tire replacement. I pulled the rear tire, took it to my dealer and had them install the Michelin Hydroedge I bought on Amazon for $85. They gave me a little static about putting a different size tire on, but after I insisted, mentioned this site and told them others had done it and it was well within the programming parameters of the wheel speed sensors, they installed and balanced it for $25. Took it home and installed it. Got the belt tension set at 225 on the cricket and tracking just off the inner edge of the rear sprocket. After all this, took the wife on a high speed ride and she could tell the difference immediately. Much smoother, more grab in curves. The stiffer sidewalls keep the tire tracking better. Running 28 psi for now. No issues with wheel speed sensors at all. Haven't checked speed accuracy yet. Added bonus, the 1/2" rise in the rear tire has put the top edge of the windshield below my normal scan zone, which is a big plus!

 

[KX5062]

My wifes 2010 rts has been running general altimax rt 215/60-15 rear pretty much since new, average 25000mi. or so she almost only rides 1 up so scuffs tire pretty bad run 17psi. 1 up 20psi. when pulling bunkhouse camper , factory tires and recommended pressure ratings are ridiculous , she has 65000miles now . She also has 175/65-14 General Altimax fronts ,@ 21psi. about to change with 35000mi. on then lots of tread but starting to cup . Hope this helps someone, I think some have changed shocks trying to fix an inferior tire problem the fronts handle MUCH better than oem. due to better sidewall construction, and since I know someone will ask "0" issues since new with different tire sizes. She rode this bike from S.E. Texas to P.C. Hwy 1 and then to Alaska no issues.

I ran those Altimaxs on my 08 and thought they were an excellent choice.

 

[Showie]

I'm guessing all other bykes will have to change rear tires at least once if using OEM. :yikes: Or you can buy an Kumho and be good to go. :clap: