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DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And along with changing the module did you replace the antenna per the bulletin?
According to BRP its one or the other.

I didn't know the 2013 models had DESS issues. (2014-2016)
 
trikermutha said:
And along with changing the module did you replace the antenna per the bulletin?
According to BRP its one or the other.

I didn't know the 2013 models had DESS issues. (2014-2016)
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There were a few but it was very rare ..... Then BRP engineer decided to fix something that wasn't broke .... and we all know how that turned out :gaah::gaah::gaah:..... Mike :thumbup:
 
Donbmw said:
Also for those that owns a 2013 and older. You can’t disable the DESS.
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I guess you mean 2013 & EARLIER than 2013 Spyders, cos all those who have told us here that they've successfully turned the DESS off and since ridden many thousands of issue free miles have owned/been riding 2014 & on Spyders?!? As for the 2013's & earlier Spyders, they had the older (& more reliable) DESS system & I don't think we've had many (if any??) issues with them reported here. :thumbup:

To disable the DESS on the 2014 & newer machines, it takes BUDS & a MegaTech Licence (I think that's the correct level) which apparently not all Dealers bother to get. Some owners have even bought just a 1 month licence simply so they could turn their 2014 on Spyder's DESS off, and I don't know of any who've been unable to do that successfully, once they've got the correct level licence. ;)
 
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I did notice if i have my Garmin on the cradle I get that problem. I just make sure there is nothing near the key when i start the bike.( my son had a Honda car with a broken chipped key and a plain non chipped key, if he put the non chipped key in and the chipped key next to the key, the car would start I wonder if this could be a problem. If you have a car key that is chipped next to the bike key that is also chipped , it confused the computer. Some one should try a non chipped bike key in the ignition and place the chipped bike key against non chipped key to see if the bike would start)
 
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I did notice if i have my Garmin on the cradle I get that problem. I just make sure there is nothing near the key when i start the bike.( my son had a Honda car with a broken chipped key and a plain non chipped key, if he put the non chipped key in and the chipped key next to the key, the car would start I wonder if this could be a problem. If you have a car key that is chipped next to the bike key that is also chipped , it confused the computer. Some one should try a non chipped bike key in the ignition and place the chipped bike key against non chipped key to see if the bike would start)
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From other posts on this DESS topic .... the range ie. distance of the chip and transponder (?) is very, very short. So having a near-by chipped key ( Spyder or other Car key etc. ) is not going to effect either..... After I parked my Spyder ( in garage ) I used to take out the Key and place it on the lip of the instrument cluster, this would allow for a complete Re-Boot ..... In the beginning of Spyders folks believed ( to re-boot ) you had to take key 20-30 ft. away and wait 10 minutes .... that thought was de-bunked decades ago. .... Mike :thumbup:
 
When I get the key screen all I did was pull the key out and put it back in. That seems to work.
This is what I know about access - I don't mean to be a know it all but here is my thinking about this:

I do security card access for a living. (16 YEARS) I do know on some sites that if you have the card in your wallet and you have credit cards with the chips in there with them, you will get a bad read on the card reader not turning green to allow access. The chip in the key is like a chip in credit cards that emits a mild radio frequency when presented to the reader (YOUR BIKE) if there is a frequency that is close or more powerful than the key (GPS, another chipped key, phone, Bluetooth, a car fob, or a watch connected to Bluetooth) you may get a bad read.

IdahoMTspyder proved the frequency theory by starting a bike with a blank key. If you were to put the key and a let's say a Honda fob next to the non-chipped, key you should see the key is bad on the screen.
 
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My dealer wants $1050 to fix my Dess problem. Want to replace module and ignition. It's at the dealership now. A 2017 F3 Limited with 12000 miles. Does anybody think BRP will step up and help with this bill. Any advice would be great.
 
Bucketman said:
My dealer wants $1050 to fix my Dess problem. Want to replace module and ignition. It's at the dealership now. A 2017 F3 Limited with 12000 miles. Does anybody think BRP will step up and help with this bill. Any advice would be great.
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From what I've learned over the past 7 years about the DESS issue. 85% of the failures were fixed by ONLY changing the DESS module NOT the ignition. The part is approx. $135.00, and is plug and play ..... If you can get the frunk off it's an easy fix. I have Pics in an album on my Bio page ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
Don’t know for sure on your year. But on my 2010 when I replaced the DESS MODULE. That was all I replace. The maintenance manual is miss leading. The DESS with a new one goes in to programming mode for keys when first turn on. I think on the new bike the ECU stores the key codes and you need the software to do programming for the new keys and maybe for old keys with the new DESS.
 
tntnj said:
When I get the key screen all I did was pull the key out and put it back in. That seems to work.
This is what I know about access - I don't mean to be a know it all but here is my thinking about this:

I do security card access for a living. (16 YEARS) I do know on some sites that if you have the card in your wallet and you have credit cards with the chips in there with them, you will get a bad read on the card reader not turning green to allow access. The chip in the key is like a chip in credit cards that emits a mild radio frequency when presented to the reader (YOUR BIKE) if there is a frequency that is close or more powerful thsn the key (GPS, another chipped key, phone, Bluetooth, a car fob, or a watch connected to Bluetooth) you may get a bad read.

IdahoMTspyder proved the frequency theory by starting a bike with a blank key. If you were to put the key and a let's say a Honda fob next to the non-chipped key, you should see the key is bad on the screen.
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tntnj,
I have a 2014 RTS-SE 6 Spyder, I had the D.E.S.S module replaced twice (1st time on July 14, 2015; 2nd time Aug. 28th, 2015) and the switch replaced once (part # 710004413, on Aug. 28th, 2015).

The following is from the dealership Summary: This TST explains the reason a customer may experience, intermittently, a D.E.S.S error message in the cluster. Type. General
TST Detail: Refer to TST Roadster 2nd Generation D.E.S.S Principal of Operation (2014 and UP) to fully understand the principle of the latest D.E.S.S. generation.

Problem: Intermittently, ignition key not being recognized causing the unit not to start. The D.E.S.S. ERROR message will be displayed in the Cluster.

Solution: Replace the D.E.S.S. module. Program the keys using B.U.D.S referring to 2014 RT Shop manual section Digitally Encoded Security System (D.E.S.S.).

Note if after the replacement of the D.E.S.S. module, the problem reoccurs, update the previously opened BOSSWEB case or open up a BOSS WEB case and report the situation.

Technical Explanation: When the D.E.S.S module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. The saturation changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S module causing a bad lecture of the key chip.

Warranty: Claim under regular warranty.

BRP has had cases where a cell phone or a magnetic card, placed near the ignition switch, has caused this. This includes any device that might emit some type of frequency. That was from a BRP tech.

I carry my cell phone in my trunk (in the rear). I carry my other (2nd) Spyder key on me, or in a jacket, which is away from the ignition.

Another solution is "turn on/off immediately in 4 to 5 cycles" - DO NOT LET THE SYSTEM SHUT DOWN when you do this.

The 2nd time I got the D.E.S.S error (Aug. 28th, 2015) the dealership replaced the D.E.S.S module (part #710004190) and the Switch (part #710004413) at the time my Spyder had 8,740 miles on it.

Hope this helps!

I also posted the above info on this thread, maybe back near the beginning. I am trying to help.

Since Aug 28th, 2015 and the 2nd module, I have not had the D.E.S.S. error.

Deanna
 
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Bucketman said:
My dealer wants $1050 to fix my Dess problem. Want to replace module and ignition. It's at the dealership now. A 2017 F3 Limited with 12000 miles. Does anybody think BRP will step up and help with this bill. Any advice would be great.
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Bucketman,

Did you get an extended warranty when you bought the bike?

If so have your dealership OPEN UP A CASE with BRP.

I had my D.E.S.S module replaced twice. (The first time in July 14, 2015, 2nd time in Aug. 28th, 2015) both times it was covered under warranty.

Deanna
 
Donbmw said:
Don’t know for sure on your year. But on my 2010 when I replaced the DESS MODULE. That was all I replace. The maintenance manual is miss leading. The DESS with a new one goes in to programming mode for keys when first turn on. I think on the new bike the ECU stores the key codes and you need the software to do programming for the new keys and maybe for old keys with the new DESS.
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See post # 854 on this thread. I posted some excellent info.

Deanna
 
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PMK said:
Miss DESS, your information in post 876 is in reference to a 2014 which has a newer DESS system versus previous years, and because of this, your information is not entirely accurate.
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:clap::clap::clap: .... ..... jmho ..... Mike :thumbup:
 
PMK said:
Miss DESS, your information in post 876 is in reference to a 2014 which has a newer DESS system versus previous years, and because of this, your information is not entirely accurate.
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PMK,

OK.
On the new spyder models( 2018 to current) do they have the same the DESS module?

Deanna
 
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