Bob Denman
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Based upon what you just said... :agree:
with Scotty... :gaah:
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Continuing Saga with my 2012 RS-S Lemon
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Chassis ground
Hi everyone,
I remember there were some issues with dealerships not connecting the chassis ground wire to the motor. This was causing all kinds of shifting problems. It seems this happened with the 08's thru 10's RS and RS-S models. I did a search just a minute ago but I could not find what I wanted. Does anyone remember reading about this?
I'm wondering if yours came loose or was removed during some of the installs and forgotten to get reconnected.
Hi everyone,
I remember there were some issues with dealerships not connecting the chassis ground wire to the motor. This was causing all kinds of shifting problems. It seems this happened with the 08's thru 10's RS and RS-S models. I did a search just a minute ago but I could not find what I wanted. Does anyone remember reading about this?
I'm wondering if yours came loose or was removed during some of the installs and forgotten to get reconnected.
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Shifting Problems:
This can ABSOLUTELY be caused by Low Oil and by Old Oil, when I have some SE5 shifting issue it has always been oil related, an oil change has resolved the problem everytime. [I change my own oil, and use AMSOil]
There is one and only 1 time I have had a non-oil related issue in regards to the Spyder, and that was when I was doing A LOT of work on lighting, HIDs, Top case change out (another light), and some changes to my powerlet outlet. This resulted in a HUGE issue re-connecting my triple / double plays, the lighting EVERYWHERE on the bike, the handling, the shifting, the total deal was off, and it was ultimately because of an errant ground wire. To locate and resolve the issue I had to return the wiring harness to 100% stock and then re-add lights 1 at a time. When I did that (removing the triple and double play boxes), all items were resolved.
Based on what you are telling me I am concerned about your oil, your electrical harness, and your oil filters in the SE5 transmission reservoir. Beyond that pending the oil situation there could be gearbox / clutch / tranny damage.
This can ABSOLUTELY be caused by Low Oil and by Old Oil, when I have some SE5 shifting issue it has always been oil related, an oil change has resolved the problem everytime. [I change my own oil, and use AMSOil]
There is one and only 1 time I have had a non-oil related issue in regards to the Spyder, and that was when I was doing A LOT of work on lighting, HIDs, Top case change out (another light), and some changes to my powerlet outlet. This resulted in a HUGE issue re-connecting my triple / double plays, the lighting EVERYWHERE on the bike, the handling, the shifting, the total deal was off, and it was ultimately because of an errant ground wire. To locate and resolve the issue I had to return the wiring harness to 100% stock and then re-add lights 1 at a time. When I did that (removing the triple and double play boxes), all items were resolved.
Based on what you are telling me I am concerned about your oil, your electrical harness, and your oil filters in the SE5 transmission reservoir. Beyond that pending the oil situation there could be gearbox / clutch / tranny damage.
dguisinger
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There have been two oil changes plus a sensor change in the last 1500 miles.
i agree it could be half the subsystems on the spyder, point is legally I shouldn't have to deal with 5 attempts fix an issue nor so I care which dealer is at fault or if there is a factory flaw. It needs to be resolved and I no longer want to waste countless hours coordinating repairs and spend months making payments on a vehicle that is sitting in a shop unable to be repaired.
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I will also chime in and say it sounds like you have issues with a dealer that is not mechanically competent.
Another point I noted--you mentioned Hindle muffler. Early on, people who installed those seemed to have issues with how the :spyder2: ran. I have not heard any Hindle issues of recent vintage though.
I do hope you are able to get you list of issues solved. As one other mentioned--the RSS has not been a :spyder2: that has hit the problem lists very often.
Another point I noted--you mentioned Hindle muffler. Early on, people who installed those seemed to have issues with how the :spyder2: ran. I have not heard any Hindle issues of recent vintage though.
I do hope you are able to get you list of issues solved. As one other mentioned--the RSS has not been a :spyder2: that has hit the problem lists very often.
dguisinger
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I am aware of back-pressure related issues and the Hindle, I actually am experiencing that as well. When you idle it stutters a bit and backfires as you shift. So far I've considered these unrelated, unless someone can show the missing link. Most of those issues did start occurring after the hindle was added, but i've never heard of people having shifting issues related to the hindle.
Bob Denman
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napper39
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like others have said not shifting is do to low oil so if that happens you must check your oil level right then and add oil if nedded.rember that the battery cable vibrates loose and that can case all kinds of bad things,so check your battery cables not the ones under your seat the ones on the battery..:chat:
dguisinger
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Again, let me repeat, 2 oil changes in 1 month and I'm still having throttle and shifting issues. As well as a gear position sensor that tested bad and was replaced after those oil changes. (Same sensor that was already replaced 500 miles after original purchase of the spyder)
I would rule current oil levels as having nothing to do with it, I've only ridden 2 hours since the last service, and only a few hundred miles between each service visit. There is no way my oil drops that quick. And yes, I have checked the level. I did initially have oil drop 2 quarts between my break-in oil change and my 5000 mile mark.
dguisinger
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BRP is stepping in, they say they will have a plan of action for me tomorrow afternoon.
hchays
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Good luck with BRP stepping in!! I am a technician that works on a lot of electrical issues. This sound much more like an electrical issue than oil levels. Yes oil level can contribute to an engine not running properly and can change how a transmission shifts, but not cause your issues. This is an electrical issue for sure. I know that I run across computers that cause odd-ball issues (i.e. your sensor tested bad twice, shifting issues and throttle issues) every once in a while. A lot of the time they are intermittent issues just as you have. I can't tell you for sure what it is, but this may be a great place to start considering you have had intermittent shifting issues sense you bought the Spyder. Once again, good luck with BRP. They don't seem to be very involved with customer service or interested in return customers.......
I bought a new 2013 Spyder RS and I love it, but I'm not sure that I will buy another due to the dealers that BRP has as partners and the lack of personal attention that BRP gives to thier customers. I understand that Spyders are not priced for "non established" people. However for what we pay for these machines they should really take care of us. We pay Harley Davidson prices for these and get used car dealer service. Sorry to rant, just type whats on my mind....
I bought a new 2013 Spyder RS and I love it, but I'm not sure that I will buy another due to the dealers that BRP has as partners and the lack of personal attention that BRP gives to thier customers. I understand that Spyders are not priced for "non established" people. However for what we pay for these machines they should really take care of us. We pay Harley Davidson prices for these and get used car dealer service. Sorry to rant, just type whats on my mind....
SpyderAnn01
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Do you have a power commander - Juice Box Pro?
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This is is great that at least they acknowledged you, good or bad keep us up to date please.
dguisinger
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I do not have a anything to control the timing, mixture and fuel injection on the engine. I have been considering it to cure the issues with the Hindle, but there's no way I'd do it before all my other problems were solved.
To other people's point about working with BRP, I must say I was impressed when I called in and after giving them my VIN they immediately mentioned they saw my dealer has repeatedly called them regarding my spyder and they also mentioned they saw my 2013 SeaDoo. Their computer system really pulls all their information together on their customers.
Dizneyman
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Hold on there
I would rule current oil levels as having nothing to do with it, I've only ridden 2 hours since the last service, and only a few hundred miles between each service visit. There is no way my oil drops that quick. And yes, I have checked the level. I did initially have oil drop 2 quarts between my break-in oil change and my 5000 mile mark.
In an earlier post you said your initial service was done at 1500 miles, not 600. Then you said you lost two quarts between initial service and 5000 miles??
That means you lost 2 quarts in 3,500 miles...That is just not right.....
I would rule current oil levels as having nothing to do with it, I've only ridden 2 hours since the last service, and only a few hundred miles between each service visit. There is no way my oil drops that quick. And yes, I have checked the level. I did initially have oil drop 2 quarts between my break-in oil change and my 5000 mile mark.
In an earlier post you said your initial service was done at 1500 miles, not 600. Then you said you lost two quarts between initial service and 5000 miles??
That means you lost 2 quarts in 3,500 miles...That is just not right.....
dguisinger
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Thats correct, the spyder tech's eyes about popped out of his head when i mentioned that the last time it was in the shop... there's never been any indication of a leak, so it must have been burned off. They asked me to start keeping a log of when i put oil in.
I do believe this particular spyder has multiple issues, I may not be tracking down a single issue.
Oil burning, throttle, surging, clanging and shifting issues, two replaced gear position sensors, and idle/backfiring issues from the hindle...
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