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Constant Flashing......What about you?

I thought maybe I would fill in a few gaps here, with a primer on Spyder headlights. A lot of you will know this stuff, but it may be useful for others.

The Spyder headlights in North America utilize halogen bulbs behind a projection lens, located in the upper lighting nacelles (which are high, and quite close to oncoming traffic's eye level. During low beam operation, a shutter covers the upper half of the lens, limiting the beam to the lower portion only. These characteristics can cause some peculiarities. First, the projection lenses cast a relatively narrow (focused) beam. If the alignment is too high, this can shine quite brightly into oncoming drivers' eyes, even on low beam. If you are getting flashed at night, on low, the alignment is probably too high. Look for the shutter line on the car ahead, and you can usually tell if the beam is too high. A heavy rider, or a rider carrying cargo or a passenger will have the headlights aimed higher than he/she thinks. Lowering the rear end on the shocks raises the focus of those narrow beams quite significantly, so cargo or a passenger can alter the setting. An RT will have different aim, depending on the air suspension setting.

If you are getting flashed in the daytime, you are seeing another effect of the focused beam. To oncoming traffic (or in a rearview mirror) you may appear to be flashing your lights on and off, as the narrow beam goes in and out of the other vehicles direct line of sight. This is common for motorcycles that tend to bounce on the bumps more than cars, but the focused beam enhances the effect, and seem even worse than a typical two-wheeler. On low beam, the shutter narrows the beam even more, making things worse. The oncoming driver see what he/she thinks is you flashing your lights on and off, and flashes (or pulls over) in return.

There are two "cures" for these situations. First, adjust the headlight aim. Your manual tells you how. This is best done with someone sitting on the passenger seat, or with an equivalent weight. To be honest, I seldom do a measured adjustment. I just lower (or raise) the headlights a bit, shine them on a wall to get them even, and try things out. This trial and error method works fine for me. Sometimes I follow my wife in the car before and after, and have her tell me if the lights appear to be flashing or are too bright. The oject is to keep the direct focus below the eye level of traffic ahead...and preferably get the low beam cut-off line low enough that it will not "bounce" into direct sight.

The other "cure", for being flashed in the daytime, is to ride with brights during the day. The low beam shutter cuts the beam just below the eye level of traffic ahead. As you bounce, the edge goes in and out of the other driver's direct sight, appearing to make your lights flash. If you ride with high beams in the daytime, they tend to see a more continuous, less annoying light.

I hope this helps. Headlight adjustment is not a one size fits all thing, especially with the Spyder. Taking some time to fine tune the adjustment, then riding with high beams in the daytime, should get you less flashing in return.
 
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The other "cure", for being flashed in the daytime, is to ride with brights during the day. The low beam shutter cuts the beam just below the eye level of traffic ahead. As you bounce, the edge goes in and out of the other driver's direct sight, appearing to make your lights flash. If you ride with high beams in the daytime, they tend to see a more continuous, less annoying light.
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This is how I have done it for almost two years and I don't get flashed by cagers. I am 195# and rarely ride two up. If I do have a passanger it is only during the day.
 
I thought maybe I would fill in a few gaps here, with a primer on Spyder headlights. A lot of you will know this stuff, but it may be useful for others.

The Spyder headlights in North America utilize halogen bulbs behind a projection lens, located in the upper lighting nacelles (which are high, and quite close to oncoming traffic's eye level. During low beam operation, a shutter covers the upper half of the lens, limiting the beam to the lower portion only. These characteristics can cause some peculiarities. First, the projection lenses cast a relatively narrow (focused) beam. If the alignment is too high, this can shine quite brightly into oncoming drivers' eyes, even on low beam. If you are getting flashed at night, on low, the alignment is probably too high. Look for the shutter line on the car ahead, and you can usually tell if the beam is too high. A heavy rider, or a rider carrying cargo or a passenger will have the headlights aimed higher than he/she thinks. Lowering the rear end on the shocks raises the focus of those narrow beams quite significantly, so cargo or a passenger can alter the setting. An RT will have different aim, depending on the air suspension setting.

If you are getting flashed in the daytime, you are seeing another effect of the focused beam. To oncoming traffic (or in a rearview mirror) you may appear to be flashing your lights on and off, as the narrow beam goes in and out of the other vehicles direct line of sight. This is common for motorcycles that tend to bounce on the bumps more than cars, but the focused beam enhances the effect, and seem even worse than a typical two-wheeler. On low beam, the shutter narrows the beam even more, making things worse. The oncoming driver see what he/she thinks is you flashing your lights on and off, and flashes (or pulls over) in return.

There are two "cures" for these situations. First, adjust the headlight aim. Your manual tells you how. This is best done with someone sitting on the passenger seat, or with an equivalent weight. To be honest, I seldom do a measured adjustment. I just lower (or raise) the headlights a bit, shine them on a wall to get them even, and try things out. This trial and error method works fine for me. Sometimes I follow my wife in the car before and after, and have her tell me if the lights appear to be flashing or are too bright. The oject is to keep the direct focus below the eye level of traffic ahead...and preferably get the low beam cut-off line low enough that it will not "bounce" into direct sight.

The other "cure", for being flashed in the daytime, is to ride with brights during the day. The low beam shutter cuts the beam just below the eye level of traffic ahead. As you bounce, the edge goes in and out of the other driver's direct sight, appearing to make your lights flash. If you ride with high beams in the daytime, they tend to see a more continuous, less annoying light.

I hope this helps. Headlight adjustment is not a one size fits all thing, especially with the Spyder. Taking some time to fine tune the adjustment, then riding with high beams in the daytime, should get you less flashing in return.
Thank You Scotty for your detailed explanation of this head light system. I will run my lights on high during the daylight hours.
 
this person pulled out in front of me one night and kept pace at about 40 mph on a 50 mph back road -- and i do not ride slow but could not pass the idiot -- he kept tapping his brakes and i knew my lights which were on low , were lighting up his rearview mirror pretty good .

finally i had a the spot to pass and be dammed that as soon as i passed he turned on his high beams and didnt turn them off -- he pissed me off so bad from pulling out in front of me , that i desided to slow down to about 5 mph and show him he was number 1 for a few seconds :lecturef_smilie: , then twisted the throttle and was a blur in about 4 seconds .

road rage you might say ... well , people just cant understand how fast motorcycles are coming at them.

after that i adjusted the headlight down , which sucks for riding at night cause no i have to use my high beams to see anything -- but before when i hit the high beams they were pretty useless ... in the tree tops actually. but that is the way i bought it.

6'0 , 215 -- if you wanted to know
 
I think the reason most of you are getting flashed, is cause on-coming vehicles think you are flashing them & not neccessarily that you just have your brights on, & this (in my experience) is especially true for the RS models more so than the RT, but is valid for both models. With the Spyders short wheel base, every bump in the road causes the front end to bounce, and it will either dip down or go up & then quickly after, the rear follows pattern. When this happens, your headlights will momentarily aim a bit higher, then lower then level back off. The way (especially the RS) our headlights are aimed/focused, that will usually cause the on-coming cars (or in the rear view mirror of cars in front of us) to think we're flashing them, hence the reason they usually flash back. I noticed this myself in a group ryde with an RS behind us. Also, if you've added Elkas or other after market shocks, they will usually raise the front end an inch or so, often requiring the need to readjust the aim of your lights. As Scotty stated, the proper procedure is in the book, hope this helps.

I think you may have aced it. I've noticed other Spyders lights dancing on rough roads before and it probably confuses a lot of cars.

BTW, I am rarely flashed by cages. I also ride with brights on during the day...something I've always done with motorcycles.
 
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I had the same problem with my lights but my problem was casused by some one in the Spyder shop delibertly misaligned my headlights. My Spyder is an export model. The repair manual information on aligning the lights was completely wrong. I saw that my Escalde's head lights were the same height as the high beam head lights of my Spyder. I pointed my car in front of a wall being 10 meters away. I turned on the high beam and marked the spot shown on the wall with chaulk where the lights were aimed. I then adjusted my Spyder's high beams to the marked spots on the wall. I adjusted the low beams during the night on non used street. You have to have a long Phillips screw driver to reach the adjusting screws. Arthur, Mexico City, Mexico

We had a thread in here about adjusting the headlights on both the RS and RT models. One of our members took the time to figure out how to set your lights correctly if you don't have exactly the amount of room to normally make the adjustment.
Unfortunately; I only downloaded the info on the RT's lights... :opps:
Maybe if you did some digging you'll be able to find the thread!
 
I have a problem with my headlights "turning" red when I hit bumps and is really annoying according to some co-workers who have been in front of me on the way to work.I have probably had 10 cars pull off the road in front of me in the past 2 years.
 
I have a problem with my headlights "turning" red when I hit bumps and is really annoying according to some co-workers who have been in front of me on the way to work.I have probably had 10 cars pull off the road in front of me in the past 2 years.
The appearance of color change is another characteristic of projection (focused) lenses. The cure is the same...adjust the headlights down a bit and run on high beam in the daytime.
 
I decided just to really pay attention last night to my stock low beam setting. It really is too high. On low beam, the top of my beam is lighting up in the top sections of trees. Only bright settings should be aiming that high. My weight must be angling the spyder upward.

I didn't really just pay attention to this until I started this thread. Thank you NancyToy.....you were the first person to respond to this thread, and you hit the nail right on the head.
 
blinding lights

The Spyder RS headlights must be a pain to see head on. When hitting the back highways at night, almost every car flashes their brights at me indicating that I have my brights on. I've even gotten flashed on the interstate, and those cars are 20 feet away to the incoming side. :shocked: I flash them back to show them that they're not on bright, and that it can get brighter. I can't see their facial expressions, but I bet when I flash back, they go into a state of shock that I'm on dim setting. :yikes: I can only imagine that they are saying that whoever made that bike screwed incoming cars. Lol

My wife said that they are blinding. Whenever I ride behind her going home, she becomes unable to look in the rearview mirror. My theory is maybe the flood pattern is too wide. Maybe the beam needs a more focused pattern???...:dontknow:

Do you guys get flashed alot?....

I live in a very hilly section of Arkansas and the only time I know I blind on coming cars is when im climbing a hill and another car comes over the top at me But I see the samething happening when I'm in my car. Once in awhile on coming drivers will flash their lights..Depending on my mood I may or may not respond.
 
If I ever get flashed on the spyder I would probably let her do it again (as long as her headlights wasn't adjusted too low). :shocked: Hahahahha!
 
I've had the same experiences. Hubby won't ride in front of me on his bike or in the car. Lights are too bright. He thought I was flashing him to pull over one time, nope...was just hittin bumps. He did adjust them. I am NOT lowering them any further. I value MY right to see at night just as much as the 'cager' and I am more 'at risk' on the road then they are. So, the way I see it, SHINE ON and let them look away for the 2 seconds it takes them to pass you and arrive at YOUR destination safely! Sorry, just my opinion, everyone's got one...like buttholes!
 
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