Bob Denman
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Ann,
Just add him to your ignore list. Take away his voice and he'll go away... :thumbup:
Just add him to your ignore list. Take away his voice and he'll go away... :thumbup:
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Clarification on the Transport Canada safety recall on 2013 Spyder RT and ST
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Magdave
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Remember just because your are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you:roflblack:
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Dan McNally
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I didn't even know there was an ignore list, until this post. Thanks. Goodbye, Knarfoh . . . don't know why you are so bitter and insulting, but at my age, I don't need that in my life.
Bob Denman
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:2thumbs: :clap: :thumbup: :agree:
Orange monster
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Well my ignore list is up to 2 people now...lol
Pirate looks at --
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Really
Knarfoh, we may be "stupid". But at least most of us are enjoying our lives, as unposed to you, you poor, pitiful, unhappy excuse for a human being. I hope your life gets better so you won't find it necessary to spray your negativity ( that you try to disguise as sarcasm) into the lives of others. I truly hope you find help. Good luck, and Ryde Safe and happy.
Knarfoh, we may be "stupid". But at least most of us are enjoying our lives, as unposed to you, you poor, pitiful, unhappy excuse for a human being. I hope your life gets better so you won't find it necessary to spray your negativity ( that you try to disguise as sarcasm) into the lives of others. I truly hope you find help. Good luck, and Ryde Safe and happy.
Bob Denman
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Just in case anybody wants to add me to their" ignore list"::shocked:
From the Home page, look down the left hand side of the screen until you see "User CP"
hit that button...
Again; the left hand side of the screen and down pretty near the bottom; "Edit Ignore List"
*BING*
:thumbup:
Fair is Fair; I'm fair game now; just like anybody else...
From the Home page, look down the left hand side of the screen until you see "User CP"
hit that button...
Again; the left hand side of the screen and down pretty near the bottom; "Edit Ignore List"
*BING*
:thumbup:
Fair is Fair; I'm fair game now; just like anybody else...
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Dan McNally
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Nah . . . life would get too boring! :thumbup:
Dan McNally
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Should I be Surprised? Concerned?
I had my parking brake lock up on a Labor Day Ryde. If I manually put just a little pressure on the lever that the parking brake cable connects to on the rear wheel, it releases. I also have the dreaded #4 Heim Joints without the painted dot, so I called my dealer this morning (they were closed Sunday and Monday) to make an appointment. The guy in the service department had no idea that there was a pending recall for the master cylinder meltdowns. :shocked: I'd think that by now, every CanAm dealer would be aware of this issue. If I was a dealer and someone came in for a service on a 2013 Spyder, any service, oil change, farkle install, whatever, I'd have my service department looking at their master cylinder to see if there was any evidence of melting, if for no other reason than to keep my customers alive! I wonder if this lack of knowledge is (or concern) is widespread . . . BRP, are your dealers qualified to maintain our Spyders . . . or are they just folks with the money to buy a franchise with no minimum training requirements for their service staff? :banghead: Anyhow, I have an appointment for Tuesday, 17 Sep. Perhaps with some luck, NHTSA will have issued the recall by then, and I can get everything done at once.
I had my parking brake lock up on a Labor Day Ryde. If I manually put just a little pressure on the lever that the parking brake cable connects to on the rear wheel, it releases. I also have the dreaded #4 Heim Joints without the painted dot, so I called my dealer this morning (they were closed Sunday and Monday) to make an appointment. The guy in the service department had no idea that there was a pending recall for the master cylinder meltdowns. :shocked: I'd think that by now, every CanAm dealer would be aware of this issue. If I was a dealer and someone came in for a service on a 2013 Spyder, any service, oil change, farkle install, whatever, I'd have my service department looking at their master cylinder to see if there was any evidence of melting, if for no other reason than to keep my customers alive! I wonder if this lack of knowledge is (or concern) is widespread . . . BRP, are your dealers qualified to maintain our Spyders . . . or are they just folks with the money to buy a franchise with no minimum training requirements for their service staff? :banghead: Anyhow, I have an appointment for Tuesday, 17 Sep. Perhaps with some luck, NHTSA will have issued the recall by then, and I can get everything done at once.
NancysToy
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From what was posted here previously, BRP has issued a "Stop Sales" order to US dealers, pending the US recall and parts availability. This notice would have been posted on the dealer Web page and probably also mailed to dealers. Having a tech be aware of it would depend on the dealer actually checking the information online or reading the notice, informing his sales staff, and then informing the remaining staff. Sales staff should be notified immediately, but in some cases that may not happen. In most dealerships it is doubtful this information would trickle down to the techs until the recall is issued, since that is all that directly affects them. At any rate, it would probably happen at a weekly staff meeting, if the dealer conducts them. It is an unfortunate thing, but most dealership employees are too busy to look at the Internet daily during the course of their duties, so delays in awareness should be expected. When you get your recall letter, you can expect your tech to be aware. Until then chances are less certain. Patience is going to be necessary to get through this, just as it was with the DPS recall. JMHO
Bob Denman
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:agree: Now if they only would all sign on here... :thumbup:
sledmaster
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Be patient
Owners of 2013 ST/RTs all need to be patient. Easier said than done, but it is true. Many of use read this forum on a daily basis so many of us have more up to date knowledge than many of the dealer techs do. That is a fact. This is not a unique situation to Spyders.
Another consideration is that many dealerships do not have a "certified" Spyder technician. I've been told very few of the dealers selling Spyders actually have a tech that is BRP certified for the Spyder product line. That does not help matters.
We should wait and see exactly what the root cause of the heat issue is and what the correction is. At face value a recall to better shield the master cylinder cover might seem to be odd, but I suspect this is simply how the corrective actions will be taken. The recall could include several other actions. Until we see the entire list of measures being taken we should not pass judgment. I for one judge on performance, not reputation. Some owners of 2013s have heat issues, some do not. There is a logical reason for this. Let's wait and see what kind of corrective measures are going to be taken. As tough as it is, it is better to be later and get it right the first time than to be quick and get it wrong, or worse yet have to do it twice.
And yes, I agree, any 2013 Spyder ST/RT going in for service should absolutely have the master cylinder inspected by a technician. This should have been occurring for a while now, especially considering the safety aspect of the issue. If BRP has in fact issued a “stop sale” order on new units, you know they’re onto something. This isn’t an easy thing for them to do, dealers start screaming because they can’t sell units that they’re paying interest on, so things will happen faster. Having consumers screaming is one thing, having dealers screaming is yet another. BRP sells to dealers, not consumers.
I had posted my thoughts on the heat issue in another thread, and still believe there is something going on with the ECU and its fuel mapping selection process. There is likely more to this than the new location for the CAT. Could be tricked into selecting a leaner map than it should if the airbox temp sensor is whacko or getting too warm, but you’d think the DET sensor would kick in and the map would be corrected. Nobody has indicated if using non-oxy 91 fuel makes a difference compared to oxy 87, there are too many loose ends here. Knowing how the ECU on a sled picks a fuel map and then adjusts fuel flow based on sensor inputs, I’m thinking there is something going on with this process that just isn’t right. Makes me wonder if those with cold air intake mods have the heat issues, I would guess not. I have noticed how a 2013 ST runs differently each time you key off/key on, so something is changing in that process. It always seems to run good when started cold, but on a hot start things seem to be different. I am curious to see what the root cause really is here.
Owners of 2013 ST/RTs all need to be patient. Easier said than done, but it is true. Many of use read this forum on a daily basis so many of us have more up to date knowledge than many of the dealer techs do. That is a fact. This is not a unique situation to Spyders.
Another consideration is that many dealerships do not have a "certified" Spyder technician. I've been told very few of the dealers selling Spyders actually have a tech that is BRP certified for the Spyder product line. That does not help matters.
We should wait and see exactly what the root cause of the heat issue is and what the correction is. At face value a recall to better shield the master cylinder cover might seem to be odd, but I suspect this is simply how the corrective actions will be taken. The recall could include several other actions. Until we see the entire list of measures being taken we should not pass judgment. I for one judge on performance, not reputation. Some owners of 2013s have heat issues, some do not. There is a logical reason for this. Let's wait and see what kind of corrective measures are going to be taken. As tough as it is, it is better to be later and get it right the first time than to be quick and get it wrong, or worse yet have to do it twice.
And yes, I agree, any 2013 Spyder ST/RT going in for service should absolutely have the master cylinder inspected by a technician. This should have been occurring for a while now, especially considering the safety aspect of the issue. If BRP has in fact issued a “stop sale” order on new units, you know they’re onto something. This isn’t an easy thing for them to do, dealers start screaming because they can’t sell units that they’re paying interest on, so things will happen faster. Having consumers screaming is one thing, having dealers screaming is yet another. BRP sells to dealers, not consumers.
I had posted my thoughts on the heat issue in another thread, and still believe there is something going on with the ECU and its fuel mapping selection process. There is likely more to this than the new location for the CAT. Could be tricked into selecting a leaner map than it should if the airbox temp sensor is whacko or getting too warm, but you’d think the DET sensor would kick in and the map would be corrected. Nobody has indicated if using non-oxy 91 fuel makes a difference compared to oxy 87, there are too many loose ends here. Knowing how the ECU on a sled picks a fuel map and then adjusts fuel flow based on sensor inputs, I’m thinking there is something going on with this process that just isn’t right. Makes me wonder if those with cold air intake mods have the heat issues, I would guess not. I have noticed how a 2013 ST runs differently each time you key off/key on, so something is changing in that process. It always seems to run good when started cold, but on a hot start things seem to be different. I am curious to see what the root cause really is here.
Dan_Ashley
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Other MC Recalls
Quite a few actually from Honda to BMW and Triumph and HD.
http://www.thepawsmahal.com/dogs/motorcycle/magenta-pink-biker-dog-hat.shtml
Quite a few actually from Honda to BMW and Triumph and HD.
http://www.thepawsmahal.com/dogs/motorcycle/magenta-pink-biker-dog-hat.shtml
FLAlaserman
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Sledmaster I could NOT have said it better...I Truly believe that this recall WILL NOT fix the heat issue...it might shield the melt down on the master cylinder but I agree something else is a-miss
your quote"Another consideration is that many dealerships do not have a "certified" Spyder technician. I've been told very few of the dealers selling Spyders actually have a tech that is BRP certified for the Spyder product line. That does not help matters."
I have seen this when we go into a service area to demonstrate the ROLO Spyder laser alignment system ....the tech looks at us like we are from Mars...now I do not need a certified tech to do an alignment but I sure as hell want a BRP "certified tech" working on the sensor inputs...you better know what you are doing
I have already advised my 2013 customers to watch and wait but DO NOT expect this to solve your heat issues.
New RT 600 miles now "stuck" at dealerdue to recall
Hello,
I recently purchased a 2013 RT limited and absolutely love the Spyder. Yesterday I dropped the RT off at the dealer for 600 mile maintenance planning to pickup the Spyder today. The dealer informed me they would install a tie rod recall and I asked them to test ride the Spyder as the steering feels a bit twitchy on many roads. Well minutes ago the dealer called with good and bad news. The good news the maintenance and tie rod items are complete. They test drove the Spyder and said it is handling fine. The dealer then informed me of the recall indicating they cannot even sell new impacted Spyders until the recall fix has been applied. The dealer recommended they keep my RT until it can be repaired; I could pick it up but would have to sign a waver. The dealer indicated there are a few kits available and they are working to get as many as possible ASAP. I am disappointed to say the least as in the Rochester NY area the riding season is short and I was looking forward to picking up the RT and doing a lot of riding this weekend. The dealer promised to call me by the end of next week with a status update. I understand the issue and hope BRP can get parts out right away. To be honest this has me a bit worried about the overall long term reliability of my RT - I am probably just venting some mixed feelings as this news is minutes old.
Mike McCormick
Hello,
I recently purchased a 2013 RT limited and absolutely love the Spyder. Yesterday I dropped the RT off at the dealer for 600 mile maintenance planning to pickup the Spyder today. The dealer informed me they would install a tie rod recall and I asked them to test ride the Spyder as the steering feels a bit twitchy on many roads. Well minutes ago the dealer called with good and bad news. The good news the maintenance and tie rod items are complete. They test drove the Spyder and said it is handling fine. The dealer then informed me of the recall indicating they cannot even sell new impacted Spyders until the recall fix has been applied. The dealer recommended they keep my RT until it can be repaired; I could pick it up but would have to sign a waver. The dealer indicated there are a few kits available and they are working to get as many as possible ASAP. I am disappointed to say the least as in the Rochester NY area the riding season is short and I was looking forward to picking up the RT and doing a lot of riding this weekend. The dealer promised to call me by the end of next week with a status update. I understand the issue and hope BRP can get parts out right away. To be honest this has me a bit worried about the overall long term reliability of my RT - I am probably just venting some mixed feelings as this news is minutes old.
Mike McCormick
GuitarPlayer
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So when the recall came out Thursday, I called my dealer to see if they knew about it. Of course they didn't but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt because the recall had just been issued. The service manager did find it on line and my 2013 RT-Ltd will need to have the recall done. They just need to get the parts in.
For my own peace of mind, this morning I took off the right side panels and checked my MC to see if it had melted. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones because mine looks fine. I don't see any damage.
I'll have to keep calling the dealer to see when I can bring my RT in but in the meantime, I'm going to keep riding.
Tony
For my own peace of mind, this morning I took off the right side panels and checked my MC to see if it had melted. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones because mine looks fine. I don't see any damage.
I'll have to keep calling the dealer to see when I can bring my RT in but in the meantime, I'm going to keep riding.
Tony
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