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Chevy Volt ad, see it while u can
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Bob Denman
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GM is pulling the plug... :gaah:
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arntufun
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I didn't know that !!! :dontknow:
Thats going to suck for Spydergirl. She just bought one. Parts will be hard to come by if she needs them. She better dump that thing while she can.
Thats going to suck for Spydergirl. She just bought one. Parts will be hard to come by if she needs them. She better dump that thing while she can.
Firefly
Active member
They are not pulling the plug at all.....
They had hoped to sell 10,000 Volts by the end of last year, but only sold 7,600.... which is still pretty impressive. They had a goal of 45,000 for this year, but now are thinking more in the 30,000 range -- hence the temporary line shutdown.
Price does seem to be a problem, but remember-- your cost is not the MSRP $41,000 --- you get a $7,500 tax credit-- which puts it in the low $ 30,000 range. You can lease one for around $350 a month.
The Prius didn't sell that great at first either... and the Volt has technology that will flow over to the entire auto industry... it really is an amazing engineering job.
They aren't going away anytime soon.....:thumbup:
Heck-- another couple years and we'll be posting about our Hybrid Spyders out here !
They had hoped to sell 10,000 Volts by the end of last year, but only sold 7,600.... which is still pretty impressive. They had a goal of 45,000 for this year, but now are thinking more in the 30,000 range -- hence the temporary line shutdown.
Price does seem to be a problem, but remember-- your cost is not the MSRP $41,000 --- you get a $7,500 tax credit-- which puts it in the low $ 30,000 range. You can lease one for around $350 a month.
The Prius didn't sell that great at first either... and the Volt has technology that will flow over to the entire auto industry... it really is an amazing engineering job.
They aren't going away anytime soon.....:thumbup:
Heck-- another couple years and we'll be posting about our Hybrid Spyders out here !
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zrc
Guest
I would tend to agree here. I am an engineer, I understand that there is some odd kind of energy crisis, and gas sucks to buy. But making cars electric, and then making you pay 40k for them to then pay out your chocolate fudge maker to keep them charged. Just wait till there are meters in public to charge them that you have to pay to park AND pay to charge.
If I go buy one, I want the 7,500 right then, and as a taxpayer I dont want to help people that can afford to buy a 41k car with my tax money. If that makes me a bad person, then so freaking be it. I pay MY bills. My mortgage, my utilities, my insurances that never seem to pay out right, my taxes, my social security (like I will ever see anything from this garbage), my part of the stimulus bill that went to companys to make these cars, and so on and so forth... I pay what I owe, and then some in my opinion (can you tell its tax season?). I bought a spyder, I have a mustang, I like this concept, I think it should be just as affordable as a regular car, and I need them to explain to me in real concept dollars why it isnt.
As an engineer I know that this is not the most effective vehicle, I know that vehicles have been made that can get in the 120 plus gas range that are powered through gas, electricity, and hydrolics (no clue how to spell this).
Im just saying that at some point I would like to stop paying for things for people that either a.) actively dont work (as in never have and never will), or b.) could afford it anyway.
Can someone burn this box Im on, I need a cigerette.
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arntufun
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Arr MiHardies
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How does one equate someone getting a write off on taxes for purchasing a very fuel efficient vehicle to someone else having to "pony up" taxes to pay for that other persons vehicle? It's effectively money off the top of their bill to uncle Sam that the first person owes. So how does that equal to you paying more? Sounds like the same kind of math I see at my employer where 63 positive number average out to -2x the real average. (seriously. How can I arrive at my destination an average of an hour and a half before I depart)
As for being a failure... I'll let Spydergirl address that. She posted a odometer photo on Facebook last week showing she was getting around 250 mpg in her Volt. That sounds like pretty darned good incentive to buy one to me. The whole hold back is the out the door price. I would agree though that given the tax payer bailout of these companies, they should repay the American people by making their vehicles actually cost less... Regardless of technological sophistication...
Firefly
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Guess I could say I don't like MY tax money going towards people that decide to have a bunch of kids. I mean what do people get per year now as a tax deduction per kid??? $3,000 ????
We ALL pay for taxes--- and we ALL benefit... it's called society... and we cannot pick and choose (other than with our votes) how that money is spent. I'd prefer MY tax money not be used for wars we shouldn't be in.... but I do.
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BTW rnet------ the tax credit for these cars was a program of the previous administration..... here's the info from Fox.... so you'll believe it..... lol :
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/26/george-w-bush-father-modern-electric-car/
Guess some just don't get it and want to keep us using 100+ year old technology.......:banghead:
We ALL pay for taxes--- and we ALL benefit... it's called society... and we cannot pick and choose (other than with our votes) how that money is spent. I'd prefer MY tax money not be used for wars we shouldn't be in.... but I do.
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BTW rnet------ the tax credit for these cars was a program of the previous administration..... here's the info from Fox.... so you'll believe it..... lol :
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/26/george-w-bush-father-modern-electric-car/
Guess some just don't get it and want to keep us using 100+ year old technology.......:banghead:
Thats a tax credit, Not a rebate or a 7500 discount.
dancogan
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:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
spyder3
New member
Some don't get that until we use our own energy reserves WE continue to Support our enemy's only natural resource. If it wasn't for the high prices nobody would be discussing this "100+ technology". :banghead::banghead:
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Plugging the car into the power grid to recharge still uses fossil fuels--just not in the car.
Who is paying for the electricity when they are plugging in away from home? I would not be to happy if I looked out and saw an extension cord from someones car plugged into my power outlet.
Snip Snip :roflblack:
Who is paying for the electricity when they are plugging in away from home? I would not be to happy if I looked out and saw an extension cord from someones car plugged into my power outlet.
Snip Snip :roflblack:
rnet
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The first person to bring up miles per pound of coal:bowdown: It's good that some look at the whole picture. Even the guy in the add was stealing from his boss as well as the taxpayer.
rnet
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Another valid point, but Bob the government will figure a way to get your money.:roflblack:
bill pitman
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MY 2 cents
I drive a 2003 Honda Insight.
I purchased it in July of 2004.
It was in the showroom for a fair amount of time before I laid down $18500.00 for it.
At the time, gas prices must have been down and God forbid, why buy a 2-seater car that gets 50+mpg!
Long story short, I turned out to be a "genius" for buying that car. Shorty thereafter, gas prices rose and I was thankful for the purchase.
So, now, not quite 8 years later, 197,000 miles and an average of 55.9mpg......it still bugs me when I fill up. And PLEASE don't tell me..." well gas in Europe is $8.00/gal ..." I'm not in Europe, I don't really care what they pay there. I care what I am paying here.
Here's the thing, go outside on any bright sunny day.
The answer to our energy problems lie in that large orange SUN in the sky,93,000,000 miles away. An inexhaustable supply of energy just waiting to be harnessed.
AND, if and when THAT light goes out.... no need to worry any more!
Sorry for the rant...just sayin..
Bill Pitman
I drive a 2003 Honda Insight.
I purchased it in July of 2004.
It was in the showroom for a fair amount of time before I laid down $18500.00 for it.
At the time, gas prices must have been down and God forbid, why buy a 2-seater car that gets 50+mpg!
Long story short, I turned out to be a "genius" for buying that car. Shorty thereafter, gas prices rose and I was thankful for the purchase.
So, now, not quite 8 years later, 197,000 miles and an average of 55.9mpg......it still bugs me when I fill up. And PLEASE don't tell me..." well gas in Europe is $8.00/gal ..." I'm not in Europe, I don't really care what they pay there. I care what I am paying here.
Here's the thing, go outside on any bright sunny day.
The answer to our energy problems lie in that large orange SUN in the sky,93,000,000 miles away. An inexhaustable supply of energy just waiting to be harnessed.
AND, if and when THAT light goes out.... no need to worry any more!
Sorry for the rant...just sayin..
Bill Pitman
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