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"Catastrophic Engine Failure"

3tracs

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Hello SpyderLover Family!

I just wanted to get some opinions from you about my recent turn of bad luck with my beloved Spyder; 3Tracs. (For the record, he is a 2008 Can Am Spyder GS SM5; currently with 13,400 mile on the odometer. I purchased him new on August 27th, 2009, with only 14 miles on the odo). BEST warranty expired 10 months ago.

On the afternoon of July 15th, 2013, I was on the interstate doing 60-62 mph (in a 65 zone) when I suddenly heard a loud ticking noise coming from the motor. I immediately rolled off the throttle when the bike lurched twice. I instantly pulled in the clutch and the engine died. I coasted to the side of the interstate, put the transmission in neutral and pressed the start button when all I heard was a high pitched whine of the starter and knew the engine was locked up tight.

Right away I had him towed to my local dealer, and was told that they would try to take a look within the week, as they were very backed up. I totally understood and said I would check back. They called me a day later and said that the preliminary exam showed "major front cylinder damage" and that they would have to look into it more.

The next week I stopped in and they had 3Tracs on the lift with the front cylinder off. Here are the pics, but I warn you, they are not for the faint of heart :yikes: :
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=2991

So far, the technician believes that a valve dropped, striking the cylinder, and it broke it off creating the mess that you see.

I asked what kind of "failure" could cause such a thing and they told me that they'll have to dig into it deeper to find out for sure. I asked about a timing issue, and they don't think that is the case as there isn't any damage to the other valves. To me, this looks like a cut and dry valve failure of some sort. I had 700 mile to go to the manufacturer scheduled valve check per the new updated maintenance schedule from BRP, but of course that doesn't guarantee that it could of been diagnosed before hand... I know that metal doesn't break until it breaks. Meaning; any metal fatigue may not have even existed.

My dealer is in contact with BRP on how to proceed as they haven't come across anything like this with a Rotax motor before. I'm hoping to have some good news by the end of the week...

So, that is quite a lot to throw out there. What does everyone think? I'm remaining positive as I have a lot of faith in my dealer and with BRP. The Spyder is a great machine and this is hopefully my only "bump in the web".

Thanks for listening, (reading)!
 
Ouch - that's so sad - those pics are brutal - defiantly a valve failure - very doubtful any valve adjustment could of forecasted a valve failure like that - very hard to see down that far unless you take the heads off. Good luck - hopefully everything will turn out ok and you will be back riding soon
 
Sad news..!!

:pray: they delve into it and find the source of the problem. Agree with the tech does not look like a timing problem but the would have to check the broken valve in depth..good luck..!! :pray:
 
Just out of curiosity, you only opted for a 1 year BEST warranty? I only ask b/c someone on here had thought they only had a 1 year BEST warranty and when they checked they found it was a 3 year one.
 
:cus: dude! What a crummy stroke of bad luck! The first pic I looked at was one of the middle ones; instantly said, ":cus:!, dropped valve!". I dropped an intake valve in a 454 Chevy motor, years ago. It was a used vehicle that had been abused (and allegedly repaired at the expense of the previous youthfully over exuberant owner), and I'd been abusing it myself (shame on me!). Quite the opposite of your experience with your Spyder. That is just freaky! I sincerely hope BRP throws something your way, good luck!
 
Considering the "Very Positive " way you brought this up and I know for a fact having 14 BRP products over 25 years that a Good Tech and Service Manager who is on your side can Go a "Long Way!" to helping a person out it a situation like this!nojoke

I Hope:pray: they will come through for you!!
 
Yup. Dropped valve. The pic of the head & valves show's the broken valves stem. Its straight and if it was a timing issue it would be bent from the valve hitting the piston. Its bad luck but thats a clean break. Its also very very rare.
 
Considering the "Very Positive " way you brought this up and I know for a fact having 14 BRP products over 25 years that a Good Tech and Service Manager who is on your side can Go a "Long Way!" to helping a person out it a situation like this!nojoke

I Hope:pray: they will come through for you!!

:agree: Very well said! :thumbup:
 
Yup. Dropped valve. The pic of the head & valves show's the broken valves stem. Its straight and if it was a timing issue it would be bent from the valve hitting the piston. Its bad luck but thats a clean break. Its also very very rare.

:agree:
 
SUCKED VALVE

It would be really nice to get a very close look at the ends of the broken valve. Both the stem and head to see if there is any signs of fatigue or cracking.

If the stem was cracked, it would show a dark area across part of the broken surface end and a shiny portion at the fresh new break. This would indicate to me metal fatigue and this problem started some time earlier back when there was still warrantee time on your Roadster. Only a matter of time before it finally expired.

The only way I know of that could have kept this from happening is to totally dismantle the engine and have each piece magnifluxed. Replace any questionable parts and reassemble.

These things happen from time to time. It could have been any one of 100's of parts that can fail. Let's just hope BRP will show a good faith and help at least in parts replacement or carry the full load for you since you are the first owner.

Good Luck
 
That's low mileage for a valve to drop. What type of oil did you use? I like to keep track that due to the Can-am Spyders engines in the beginning used a synthetic oil. Rotax engines on the hole don't have valve problems. I looked at your pics and looked like you took care of it.

Mike
 
Wow! I just mentioned this to a good riding friend who has a long history of being big into the Aprilia scene (pretty much same motor), and he said he has only ever heard of ONE previous failure with a dropped valve. It just doesn't happen....

He did mention to check the top of the stem at the retainer/cotter and see if everything is all intact...:dontknow:
 
Just out of curiosity, you only opted for a 1 year BEST warranty? I only ask b/c someone on here had thought they only had a 1 year BEST warranty and when they checked they found it was a 3 year one.

When I bought it, it came with the 2 year plus 1 year of BEST. Unfortunately I relied on my previous luck with vehicles and thought that after 3 years I would be okay. In hind-site, I very much wish I would have bought the full 3 year BEST. :(
 
Thanks everyone!

Thank you all for your comments!

I really appreciate you all taking the time to read and comment. This is a great group of people and I'm proud to stand with you.

I'm confident that everything will work out in the end. I've been told by many folks who own, or have owned vehicles with Rotax motors, that they're shocked as this is something that just doesn't happen, and that the Rotax motors are very durable; thus the reason for them being used in our Spyders.

In the meantime, I'm just stepping back to let my dealer and BRP look into it. They currently only have one Can-Am tech as they are also a Harley Davidson dealer, and have been very busy, but my service adviser has been awesome in keeping me in the loop.

Stay tuned! :thumbup:

Thanks again!

Harry
3Tracs
 
Just out of curiosity that looks like it is in Metro's shop in CR? They really went to bat for me and if it is Metro I'm sure they will go to bat for you....
 
Just out of curiosity that looks like it is in Metro's shop in CR? They really went to bat for me and if it is Metro I'm sure they will go to bat for you....

Yep, he's at Metro Harley Davidson, Suzuki and Can-Am in Cedar Rapids, awaiting surgery :). Hopefully they can get him back on three wheels soon.
I'll be checking in with them on Friday.

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