Canisterectomy

[WaltH]

The Spyder system is nothing like on most cars. It is a very rudimentary system without all the self test and pressure checks typical of most cars.

Been running for a while now without the canister and no error codes yet.

I like the idea of taking out the canister, however, if there is a fire, will BRP claim removing the canister caused the fire? What other warranty issues could they create from this. I must be getting a little cynical. :gaah:

 

[NancysToy]

The two-eared standard clamps in the kit you found are not really a suitable substitute, especially for fuel lines. They do not meet the BRP spec. I ordered a stepless one-ear clamp kit (Oetiker 18500060) from Drillspot.com. Have not received it yet, but did get shipping notice. Fastenal and some other possible suppliers did not have them in stock. Grainger lists them, but had none locally and had a wait time of several weeks.

Got the clamp kit today from the UPS man. That was a surprise, since I ordered Sunday, and got shipping confirmation just yesterday. Can't beat two day service! The box was marked and invoiced from Grainger, which surprised me since their site had listed 3 week delivery. I wonder if it was drop shipped, or id Drillspot.com is a subsidiary. Can't beat vendor service like that, no matter what.

I feel more secure in removing any hose that is necessary now, even though I may need to buy some small 3/8" clamps, which were not available in any kit. I may get some large ones, too, for things like CV jointand BMW driveshaft boots. BTW, BRP sells the clamps (and pliers) but oddly enough has several part numbers for each size hose. I wonder if some of theirs are the wider varieties. I will be sure to match up any I replace.

 

[BeRight]

I looked over my stock 2003 Yamaha FZ1 and it does not have an evap can. After researching on the internet the evap can is on California 2003 Yamaha FZ1s only. Yes, I do have a hose that sticks out of the bottom of my stock bike.

So, I guess either BRP had to have evap can to meet emissions standards or decided to just make them all the same, instead of unique ones for California-unless Maryland and the rest of USA changed their standards to match California since 2003.

 

[Cliff-Co.]

I ordered an Oetiker clamp kit. When it gets here, we can install the correct type of clamp.

most auto parts sell fuel injector hose, & a injector hose (worm-type) clamp, are they acceptable ???

 

[Firefly]

most auto parts sell fuel injector hose, & a injector hose (worm-type) clamp, are they acceptable ???

I bought 1/4" fuel line and they had clamps nearby that clearly said FUEL line clamps. They are not quite like the worm-gear ones--- but look similar.

Here is what they look like:

http://www.autobarn.net/iddifuincl.html

I bought 4 feet of fuel line - which was just about right for what I did--- maybe cut off 6-8".

 

[NancysToy]

most auto parts sell fuel injector hose, & a injector hose (worm-type) clamp, are they acceptable ???

Not according to BRP......of course.

 

[saint999]

I am getting concerned

Mean no offense with this as I know all bikers like to be resourceful and I am the same but beginning to wonder here.
Why would I or anyone have to do mods to a brand new bike to fix manufactures problems. So this 28K bike I bought can either cause 3rd degree burns to my right leg, or torch my butt for life at any minute? Has anyone actually taken this further then BRP would like? I have purchased two other brand new bikes in the last year besides this one, including a Gold Wing and have none of these issues. I am having the gas smell out of my 2012 RT Limited so bad my garage reeks.
Are you guys seriously just fixing their manufacturing issues and risking voiding your warranty with nothing else done with BRP?

Let me add the drivebelt tension issue that vibrates you like crazy....another flaw?

 

[WaltH]

Mean no offense with this as I know all bikers like to be resourceful and I am the same but beginning to wonder here.
Why would I or anyone have to do mods to a brand new bike to fix manufactures problems. So this 28K bike I bought can either cause 3rd degree burns to my right leg, or torch my butt for life at any minute? Has anyone actually taken this further then BRP would like? I have purchased two other brand new bikes in the last year besides this one, including a Gold Wing and have none of these issues. I am having the gas smell out of my 2012 RT Limited so bad my garage reeks.
Are you guys seriously just fixing their manufacturing issues and risking voiding your warranty with nothing else done with BRP?

Let me add the drivebelt tension issue that vibrates you like crazy....another flaw?

I don't think there have been any reports on Spyderlovers concerning fires in a RT. The modification BRP made in 2009 seems to be successful. I don't think you have much to worry about with the evaporative canister on your RT. I would look into the gas smell. This is not normal. There are several possible causes for this. See your dealer. In the past four years, BRP has corrected several important design flaws so your RT has the benefit of this progression.

My 2008 GS burned to the ground, so I did a canisterectomy on my 2009 GS. I did not do a canisterecotmy on my 2011 RT. I am comfortable with this. I have never had a gas smell, even on my 2008 GS.

 

[saint999]

Its there but leaves

I don't think there have been any reports on Spyderlovers concerning fires in a RT. The modification BRP made in 2009 seems to be successful. I don't think you have much to worry about with the evaporative canister on your RT. I would look into the gas smell. This is not normal. There are several possible causes for this. See your dealer. In the past four years, BRP has corrected several important design flaws so your RT has the benefit of this progression.

My 2008 GS burned to the ground, so I did a canisterectomy on my 2009 GS. I did not do a canisterecotmy on my 2011 RT. I am comfortable with this. I have never had a gas smell, even on my 2008 GS.

The Gas smell is really bad when its warm outside and I did notice after riding this last night it went away after about an hour of cooling down. Does that give you any ideas as to what it may be? I am thinking the evap canister is still an issue but maybe wrong. I am going to ask the dealer to look it over but think they will find nothing wrong.

 

[Tierhog]

I have a 2008 GS. No smell, never overfill. I have the skins off all the time. My only complaint is the blowby.. If I can't Diagnose, it's getting flatbedded to the dealer

I don't mess with gas or wheel bearings lol. I'll do everything else myself.

 

[donec]

After reading this thread the question that comes to mind is. Why hasn't someone that had this gas smell start changed the Purge Valve? To me it sounds like it may not be opening or closing properly.

 

[Texmac1011]

After reading this thread the question that comes to mind is. Why hasn't someone that had this gas smell start changed the Purge Valve? To me it sounds like it may not be opening or closing properly.

There have been many, many people with this issue, so I don't think there are that many bad purge valves out there. Once my dealer told me the purge valve was working like it should, I did the canisterectomy and routed the gas tank vent to the rear of the bike. No more issues after that.

 

[TuckMiddle]

I did

I changed the canister then a purge valve then another canister - under warranty and after BRP finally believed me that I don't fill the tank all the way. Did the same as the gent above, removed the whole mess. It still acts up some, nowhere near the problem it was before. It's still not fixed, but at least the vent doesn't empty right in front of the Catalytic converter any more!!:banghead:

I still run my garage fan 24 hours to keep the ethanol stench to a minimum. BRP has been super good with a couple of other relatively minor problems, but totally unsatisfactory results and cure for the "smell/vapor/fuel dripping" from the pathetic fuel vent system.

Tuck

 

[Frenchy]

Anyone in the Charlotte, NC area would be willing to help me do this? I don't know what I'm doing and would really appreciate some help........

 

[SPYD3R]

hey guys....
if one decides to retain the cannister, does this look like the right way to about performing a BY-PASS if the CANNISTER....???? :hun:

 

[KX5062]

Why? It seems like more work to bypass the cannister, when you just remove it, it seems like less effort.

I just did mine and it definitely runs MUCH better. I suspect the charcoal was completely impregnated with fuel residue from multiple gas tank boiling incidents. (I just caught it for the first time this past week, but since it's an 08, it must have done it many different times and I just never caught it in the act.)

 

[DrewNJ]

The best thing about the canister is the shape. It makes for a PERFECT door stop to keep the shop door propped open when the weather is nice!


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[Bob Denman]

:shocked: :roflblack: :thumbup:

 

[Stogeylink]

After my ride today. I noticed.....








Nothing.
No change in performance.
No error codes.
And best of all..........No smell.

So I have only owned my Spyder since Feb, birthday present from my wife, -GRINS- and I have had this same smell. So after reading this and several other threads, I performed a Canisterectomy over the weekend. Took a ride yesterday as a trial for about an hour and :yes: no smell!! You guys are awesome with the information and advice. I have been riding since I was in my teens and this is the first 3 wheeler and I absolutely love it. My next addition is a set of Rivco floorboards and a brake pedal extension. Don't want to "farkle" it up too much but would like a little more comfort on the knees when riding distances. Thanks for all of the information on here and interaction. I have joined, at least on Facebook, the US Spyder Ryders - East Texas Chapter and am hoping to join in some of the rides as my schedule slacks up. Enjoy everone!

 

[Randy McClure]

So I have only owned my Spyder since Feb, birthday present from my wife, -GRINS- and I have had this same smell. So after reading this and several other threads, I performed a Canisterectomy over the weekend. Took a ride yesterday as a trial for about an hour and :yes: no smell!! You guys are awesome with the information and advice. I have been riding since I was in my teens and this is the first 3 wheeler and I absolutely love it. My next addition is a set of Rivco floorboards and a brake pedal extension. Don't want to "farkle" it up too much but would like a little more comfort on the knees when riding distances. Thanks for all of the information on here and interaction. I have joined, at least on Facebook, the US Spyder Ryders - East Texas Chapter and am hoping to join in some of the rides as my schedule slacks up. Enjoy everone!

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