Can you bypass VSS?

[BLACK WIDOW]

Words

Wow! I'm new to the Spyder, but definitely not new to riding motorcycles. AGAIN, I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings and I WAS NOT calling anyone on here a novice rider. I was simply stating that the VSS seems to be pretty conservative and meant to avoid legal issues. I've gotten pretty crazy on it, but it does seem to kick in quite early in certain situations where I feel it has much more potential. In other words, it's a very safe ride that even a novice rider wouldn't have to worry about. AGAIN, i'm not calling other people on here novices, just stating what I think about it. Why do some people have to take things so personally? Geesh!

I didn' take any thing personally. I just thought it inappropriate for an admittedly "new" Spyder rider to come on a forum that probably
collectively, has more Spyder experience than any forum in the world, and Imply if we haven't disabled the VSS that we may be just a novice rider. At least that was the impression. However, it really isn't a big deal and I know you weren't trying to provoke anyone. You will always get some very good opinions on this forum; so you asked your question in the right place.nojoke Maybe just not in the right way. Keep the rubber side down, my friend and ride on.:spyder:


Michael:doorag:

 

[bjt]

You can disable the VSS by removing wheel speed sensors and hanging them up outta the way. You will also want to pull the fuse for the power steering as it will no longer disable at speed. If you are a careful rider I do not see a problem with trying it out. The guy who had a problem was doing donuts and hit a pothole. Of course, if you get in an accident it's another reason for the insurance co. to deny your claim.

I wouldn't do it but if you wanted to disable the VSS quickly and easily, you could do what DragonSpyder said. Remove the wheel sensors and pull the steering assist fuse.

 

[Latemarch]

The most common Nanny problem that I have is when turning right from a stop.
Nanny doesn't like any rear wheel slippage if the front wheels are turned. So I get a sputter when what I'd like is just a little spin and some acceleration.
If I could reprogram the VSS I'd widen that parameter and allow just a little more slippage in low speed turns.
Alternatively, if there was a momentary switch on the left bar I'd use it in just that situation. Though you'd want the button far enough out of the way that you couldn't accidently hit it while in any kind of emergency maneuvering.

And because of irresponsible riders and lawyers, BRP will never provide either solution.:sour:

 

[Firefly]

The most common Nanny problem that I have is when turning right from a stop.
Nanny doesn't like any rear wheel slippage if the front wheels are turned. So I get a sputter when what I'd like is just a little spin and some acceleration.
If I could reprogram the VSS I'd widen that parameter and allow just a little more slippage in low speed turns.
Alternatively, if there was a momentary switch on the left bar I'd use it in just that situation. Though you'd want the button far enough out of the way that you couldn't accidently hit it while in any kind of emergency maneuvering.

And because of irresponsible riders and lawyers, BRP will never provide either solution.:sour:

Yup-- that is my complaint also--- give us a LITTLE spin on takeoff please!

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Manners

Hello Everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the Spyder, but is there a way to disable or bypass the VSS (Vehicle Stability System)? That system is a good safety feature and all (for novice riders), but it takes a lot of the fun away! Any incite would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

BTW---welcome


Michael:doorag:

 

[spyderinkc]

BTW---welcome


Michael:doorag:

Thanks for the welcome, sorry my original post came out the wrong way.

 

[M2Wild]

Some people want to disable the VSS?

Can't make the donuts with the VSS:clap:

 

[BLACK WIDOW]

Nanny

Yup-- that is my complaint also--- give us a LITTLE spin on takeoff please!

Maybe your Nanny knows what those rear tires cost.:joke:.

I can get mine to burn out fairly easy; just don't turn the steering while it's in a burn out.nojoke


Michael:doorag:

 

[altonk]

Trade in the spyder get a drift car

 

[sleepman]

Wow! I'm new to the Spyder, but definitely not new to riding motorcycles. AGAIN, I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings and I WAS NOT calling anyone on here a novice rider. I was simply stating that the VSS seems to be pretty conservative and meant to avoid legal issues. I've gotten pretty crazy on it, but it does seem to kick in quite early in certain situations where I feel it has much more potential. In other words, it's a very safe ride that even a novice rider wouldn't have to worry about. AGAIN, i'm not calling other people on here novices, just stating what I think about it. Why do some people have to take things so personally?:dontknow: Geesh!

Experienced rider or not I can guarantee that disabling the VSS would provide you with a riding experience that you've never had before. When I had my Spyder I disabled mine, against the advice of one of the more respected members of this forum, and rode 2 full miles before I turned around and went back home and put it back together.

Experience should have educated you that hotrodding around on a motorcycle is not a good idea whether it be 2 wheels or 3.

 

[Magic Man]

Experienced rider or not I can guarantee that disabling the VSS would provide you with a riding experience that you've never had before. When I had my Spyder I disabled mine, against the advice of one of the more respected members of this forum, and rode 2 full miles before I turned around and went back home and put it back together.

Experience should have educated you that hotrodding around on a motorcycle is not a good idea whether it be 2 wheels or 3.

:agree::agree::agree:

I have been quiet on this one, as almost everyone here has it correct 100%

Here's the real world bottom line on this. Without the VSS working it is not if you will crash it's just a matter of when will you crash.

BRP is not stupid, nor in the habit of spending money when not needed as they look to the "bottom line profit" in everything they do.

The VSS system and getting it working correct is what took so long in the design of the Spyder, and unfortunatly it really is this computer system with it's computer code problems that have really been the only problems of any major nature with the Spyder. Which again has cost BRP much $$$$ money to deal with.

If you really think BRP could make one for the road that would not spit you off on your head without all these expensive systems, you can bet BRP would and just make their life easy.

I am the one who figured out how to unhook the VSS to be able to run a Spyder on a Dyno for testing. But, I also told everybody it would be a very scary ride if anybody tried it, and could very well get a person HURT or KILLED in doing so.

Unfortunatly many riders I meet all over the country think of themselves as "Johny Racer" and "Bullet Proof" too. Truth be told most are just riders of "average" to only slightly above average skill who just think everybody else can't ride, so they think themselves "way above the curve" talent wise.

Really, unless your are trying to have a crash and wreck a beautiful machine and also get a wonderful person (you) hurt, leave the VSS alone!

Although I agree at times this whole PC world gets overboard in this respect, understand sometimes "we really do need to be protected from ourselves" so leave the VSS alone.

I for one know I don't want to be saddened to hear as a fellow Spyder rider you were running around with the VSS off and hurt yourself or somebody else.

Leave it like it is and ride the thing! I know after following Lamonster around the roads in Sturgis, that the VSS (although you may seem to think would hold you back) let's him ride it faster than anybody I have ever seen outside of Doc, who he too rides it like he stole it everyplace he goes. Both of these guys ride faster than I care to go and I have been in motorcycling since I was 10 years old.

OH, and by the way Lamonster does this while pulling a trailer around with him. :yikes:

If and when you can follow and keep up with riders like these two on a Spyder, and it really somehow becomes that the VSS is what keeps you back, then you will have a much better reason to feel the need for it to be gone. Until then, ride it like it is so you don't get hurt and can stay around here on Spyderlovers longer. :thumbup:

MM

 

[mike3069]

:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:Well said MM!

 

[NancysToy]

......Unfortunately many riders I meet all over the country think of themselves as "Johny Racer" and "Bullet Proof" too. Truth be told most are just riders of "average" to only slightly above average skill who just think everybody else can't ride, so they think themselves "way above the curve" talent wise. .......

Ain't it the truth!!! In my experience as a racer, I have found that those with the most skill tend to show it off very little outside the race track, and they relish their safety equipment on and off the track. The "wanna-bees" brag and think of themselves as high and mighty, and they ride 140 mph in a t-shirt and blue jeans, often landing in the hospital or morgue. Very well said in all respects, Evan. I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[RoadHammer]

I totally agree with you about left and right's from a stop. My spyder has stalled 3 times so far turning from a stop. Once was a borderline life and death situation.

The most common Nanny problem that I have is when turning right from a stop.
Nanny doesn't like any rear wheel slippage if the front wheels are turned. So I get a sputter when what I'd like is just a little spin and some acceleration.
If I could reprogram the VSS I'd widen that parameter and allow just a little more slippage in low speed turns.
Alternatively, if there was a momentary switch on the left bar I'd use it in just that situation. Though you'd want the button far enough out of the way that you couldn't accidently hit it while in any kind of emergency maneuvering.

And because of irresponsible riders and lawyers, BRP will never provide either solution.:sour:

 

[Questions]

Vss

I totally agree with you about left and right's from a stop. My spyder has stalled 3 times so far turning from a stop. Once was a borderline life and death situation.

agreed here also the Vss is too sensitive in my opinion and should have a sport setting when I turn the throttle I expect a responce and not some computer making the decisions for me .BRP needs to look at this. By the way I am a new spider owner but have approx 30,000 kms on an ATV and welll over 100,000 on Varoius motorcycles.I am not a pro but throttle control should be left to the rider. Just my 2 cents ,ride on:spyder:

 

[RoadHammer]

I have it in my will, that if i Die on my Spyder,,,,,, making a left or right from a stop and my bike stalls and I die or get into an awful accident BRP will be sued.

So BRP take note.

agreed here also the Vss is too sensitive in my opinion and should have a sport setting when I turn the throttle I expect a responce and not some computer making the decisions for me .BRP needs to look at this. By the way I am a new spider owner but have approx 30,000 kms on an ATV and welll over 100,000 on Varoius motorcycles.I am not a pro but throttle control should be left to the rider. Just my 2 cents ,ride on:spyder:

 

[Magic Man]

I have it in my will, that if i Die on my Spyder,,,,,, making a left or right from a stop and my bike stalls and I die or get into an awful accident BRP will be sued.

So BRP take note.

Yea OK, let us know how you make out with that.

I can hear BRP shaking in their boots now. :shocked:

Do any of you "really listen" to the crazy stuff you are saying about the VSS.

On one hand everybody says "take it off, let me turn it down or off I can handle it, I won't get hurt! If I do I, I won't sue"

Then because it spits or hick ups because you turn the throttle too much when the yaw sensor sees a big change, you then say things like this! :gaah:


I can only hear the "poor little consumers now" who get hurt because they "turned down or turned off" the VSS saying.....

"I didn't know it would do that if I turned it down or off, it's all big bad BRP's fault selling me a Spyder that would spit me on my head with the VSS turned off!"

Your above statement brings to mind what I say to people who want us to "stick out out corporate neck" doing crazy things for them.

"Nether your Widow nor her Lawyer will remember or even know that you agreed and asked to have us do this when they are sueing for your wrongful death lawsuit"

Guys you bought a vehicle that has VSS, know it really does need it to be safe and fun.

Beacuse , I can tell you from the ride I did when I had mine turned off, you should indeed be very glad it does!

MM

 

[RoadHammer]

I think the vss is a good thing,I don't want to shut it off, it just bugs me when it sputters or stalls turning left or right from a stop.

Yea OK, let us know how you make out with that.

I can hear BRP shaking in their boots now. :shocked:

Do any of you "really listen" to the crazy stuff you are saying about the VSS.

On one hand everybody says "take it off, let me turn it down or off I can handle it, I won't get hurt! If I do I, I won't sue"

Then because it spits or hick ups because you turn the throttle too much when the yaw sensor sees a big change, you then say things like this! :gaah:


I can only hear the "poor little consumers now" who get hurt because they "turned down or turned off" the VSS saying.....

"I didn't know it would do that if I turned it down or off, it's all big bad BRP's fault selling me a Spyder that would spit me on my head with the VSS turned off!"

Your above statement brings to mind what I say to people who want us to "stick out out corporate neck" doing crazy things for them.

"Nether your Widow nor her Lawyer will remember or even know that you agreed and asked to have us do this when they are sueing for your wrongful death lawsuit"

Guys you bought a vehicle that has VSS, know it really does need it to be safe and fun.

Beacuse , I can tell you from the ride I did when I had mine turned off, you should indeed be very glad it does!

MM

 

[NancysToy]

I think the vss is a good thing,I don't want to shut it off, it just bugs me when it sputters or stalls turning left or right from a stop.

I don't think this is due to the VSS itself, but rather to a problem of some sort that may be affecting the VCM or ECU. Our Spyder doesn't do this in the least, and I haven't heard other reports of the same problem. I suspect a bad yaw sensor that is adversly affecting the CANBUS sytem. Have you had the dealer look at it? Have you ridden another Spyder or a demo model to compare?

 

[RoadHammer]

I can't ride other models, im in a wheelchair so other bikes are off limits for me to try. It happened in the first 500 miles or so but hasnt happened since. But I think about it everytime I ride.

I don't think this is due to the VSS itself, but rather to a problem of some sort that may be affecting the VCM or ECU. Our Spyder doesn't do this in the least, and I haven't heard other reports of the same problem. I suspect a bad yaw sensor that is adversly affecting the CANBUS sytem. Have you had the dealer look at it? Have you ridden another Spyder or a demo model to compare?