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Can Am has been using Kenda tires on Atvs and sxs for years. So they probably approached Kenda to produce tires for the Spyders. Just a thought.
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Can-Am's position on tires
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safecracker
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I will only use car tires on my Spyder. I want value for my money. Bruce
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IdahoMtnSpyder
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My guess it that HD probably buys a lot of Dunlop m/c tires. It would have been easy for them to strong arm Dunlop into working with them, or even forcing Dunlop to act on their own, to get NHTSA blessing for their use on HD trikes. One thing we can be sure of. HD ain't ever going to tell us why they can mount CTs at the factory. Is Dunlop the only brand of CT HD uses?
Comments - Yeah! He might do really well at 'vlogging' & he may even be great mechanic, not my place to argue with either, but if he has any real tire knowledge then he is pretty obviously simply regurgitating/following the BRP mandated/Kool aid drinking line that fitting car tires onto Spyders is dangerous, especially in the wet!! :banghead: :bdh:
That said, there are circumstances where that might be true - for instance, if you take a car tire that's capable of carrying over 1000kgs of static auto load on each of its four tires when they're being run at saaay 32 psi & put one of them on Spyder that puts MAYBE a TOTAL of 300kgs of static load onto its three tires, you just don't need to put 32 or even 26 psi into it to carry the load and perform as well if not better!! And if you do, then don't be surprised if that tire feels like you're running on a railway bogie and grips the road like it was polished ice even in the dry, let alone when it's wet!! :yikes:
If you fit 'real' car tires to your Spyder, you ARE REALLY doing yourself a dis-service if you run them much over 16-18 psi, unless maybe you are pushing the Spyder's load limits &/or running in hot temps/on hot road surfaces, when there might be a few/a few occasions that justify/warrant going maybe a couple of psi or so higher.... but for the vast majority of us, running just about any auto tire that meets or exceeds the specified load & speed ratings & is an appropriate fit on our Spyder's stock rims, then you aren't going to be far off the ideal optimum pressure if you run 16-18psi in those auto tires when fitted to your Spyder! :thumbup:
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I havent seen the clip yet, but I've heard SmoaksVlog talk about car tyres. Someone else here rightly points out, being a mechanic doesnt make them highly informed on tyres. The dealership where I bought my RTL from, the head BRP tech made the comment - "you could run bald tyres on these cause with all the safety systems, they will take care of you". I thought he was kidding initially, but then I pointed out to him and later in an email to the Group GM of company that if a tyre cant get grip VSS will only respond by acting on the grip it can get and if that's none then you continue on your merry way until you hit something or inertia washes off.
I for the 1st 12 months viewed the idea of putting car rubber on my RTL as insanity, believing all the spiel I was given by various people. The crunch came when a comment was made about car tyres upsetting the ABS - I called bull**** on the comment. ABS works the same way as it does with a crap tyre or the best tyre - it will grip the brake disk as hard as possible until traction is lost, release a little then grip the disk tightly again. Put better rubber on and grip is maintained longer and can allow the better gripping tyre to do its part of slowing the bike down. Its a fundamental of ABS no matter who makes or bakes it.
I don't doubt there are some brands of car tyre out there that may make wet weather grip worse, and I have only had one brand of car tyre so far, but I ride in all weather conditions and on the current car rubber love the way it grips, gives feedback to the rider, and after my near miss with a tree falling across all lanes on a down hill corner in the rain, I am so very thankful for the wet weather grip car tyres have provided. And yes the ABS was working to help stop me in time.
Apologies of this sounds condescending to any one.
BLUEKNIGHT911
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Well you haven't been here too long yet ..... My position on tires is #1.- Safety , #2- performance , #3.- longevity ..... So no you didn't find a button, it's been there for years and years :roflblack: .............. Mike :thumbup:
BLUEKNIGHT911
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" only Brand " , back when I delved into this topic, that was the brand they were using .... Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd they didn't have any wording about " motorcycle use or recommendations " on the sidewall !!!! .... back when I first posted about this, I listed the what model they were but that's not something I committed to memory or I did but can't remember now :gaah::roflblack: ...... Mike :thumbup:
BLUEKNIGHT911
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askitee, .... you get it , ....thanks .... Mike :thumbup:
ButterSmooth
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Experience is good. I don't want that particular one, however. Elk, deer, and antelope keep me scanning the roadside around here. Saw a car get bombed by a borate bomber once -- talk about out of the blue...
BajaRon
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Borate! That was a LONG time ago! Borate was sterilizing the ground. Not a good look down the road. Nor was it a hit with the tree huggers. It was replaced with a mixture that actually encouraged regrowth. Did prevent fires in that specific location for several years though.
ButterSmooth
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It may well have been something else. I drove through the red spot (with a car silhouette) on the highway for months after that, though. It was an A26 and absolutely spectacular to watch.
Tango
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As BLUEKNIGHT has said. HD puts car tires on ALL of their trike from the factory. Also, every trike kit from the major manufacturers also come with car tire mounted on them. Out Spyders come from the factory with CAR rims from the factory. It's all about the money! Buy a car tire from a tire shop? BRP makes no profit from it. The dealer makes no profit from it. I'm on my third Spyder. All have or had car tires on them. Save money, get a better handling, better quality made tire. A win all around. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:
IdahoMtnSpyder
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See my post from 6 years ago!
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?69732-Spyder-tires-are-in-good-company!
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?69732-Spyder-tires-are-in-good-company!
BajaRon
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If it was an A26, it could have been borate. It would have had to be in the early 60's though. They only used borate for 2 or 3 years in the early 60's. But the new method of dropping retardant out of converted military bombers caught the public's attention. So when someone coined the phrase 'Borate Bombers', it stuck. People continued to call them this long after the short lived borate solution was changed to a non-sterile mixture.
ButterSmooth
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WHAT A PICTURE!!! I can hear the roar of those radials now!
Yes and it didn't sink in till some hours later. I was home for a few hours and explained it to my wife.
RudyB
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I have met Mr YouTube he can’t say anything else but that car tires are scary anything else he would be looking for a job
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