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Laila's Dad
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money, money, money
if spyder's range from $18,000 to close to $30,000(RT-S, ST limited) for regular fuel economy, how much more will the hybrid models cost? :yikes:
if spyder's range from $18,000 to close to $30,000(RT-S, ST limited) for regular fuel economy, how much more will the hybrid models cost? :yikes:
Bob Denman
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The hybrid is currently just a "promise"... designed to keep folks looking. :shocked:
Don't count on it anytime soon.
They'll wait until battery and power management technology is up to the task before they get serious.
Don't count on it anytime soon.
They'll wait until battery and power management technology is up to the task before they get serious.
chris56
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They are working on it !!! Its here in Austria in the Rotax Factory and a very clever student got a Price for a Software which controlls the power of the two engines .. she now works in the factory - I`m also waiting for the first tests .. (sorry a german link) http://www.fh-ooe.at/campus-wels/ak...antriebsstrang-eines-brp-freizeitfahrzeugs-1/
eddieshep999
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Chris I hope you don't mind but with the help of Google Translate :-
25th May 2011
Welser showcase student optimized hybrid drivetrain of a BRP recreational vehicle
From left to right: Prof. (FH) Dr. Gernot Grabmair, Verena Leitner, Gerd Ohrnberger, DI (FH) Walter Hinterberger. Source: FH Wels University, reprint free
The Welser-automation student Verena Leitner developed their Masters project highly dynamic control for a new hybrid drive for the BRP recreational vehicle Can-Am Spyder. In addition to a conventional internal combustion engine developed in the Upper Austria powertrain also has an electric drive. The role of the 23-year-old student showcase is to regulate the two drive systems so that the driver of the transition from electric to Verbrennerbetrieb not negatively noticeable.
BRP-Powertrain develops and manufactures vehicles and powertrains for recreational vehicles. By a new hybrid concept, the fuel consumption compared to a model with a combustion engine can be reduced at the same mileage by 50 percent.
Research for cleaner drives
In the context of K-research project ECO Powerdrive Gunskirchen the company BRP-Powertrain is working closely with the consortium leader and Graz University of Applied Sciences Upper Austria, Wels. The aim is to make a significant contribution to the "greening" of propulsion systems for recreational vehicles and related products. "We aim to cut fuel consumption and emissions - but it does not restrict the mileage," said BRP-Powertrain CEO Gerd Ohrnberger.
FH-control systems for hybrid drives
The concept of the new hybrid powertrain includes a modern automatic gearshift. "To ensure a smooth gear changes with no noticeable loss of drive, we take the electric drive to help. The developed algorithms are based on modern control theory for nonlinear systems. Is especially exciting to be the implementation of automotive development processes, as the project partner, only a fraction of the development resources of a car company can be used, "says Prof. (FH) Dr. Gernot Grabmair and adds:" Verena Leitner helped develop a complex regulatory approach. This decides what proportion of electric and internal combustion engine is used during a switching operation ", the flagship student -. It is one of the year's best - now refined this concept in control of their master's thesis.
"It's very interesting to develop new concepts in the field of hybrid technology, as a result of the novelty of this technology much further development is required. It's good to know, provide a small contribution to the work towards sustainable and environmentally friendly mobility, "says the Traunkirchnerin Verena Leitner.
ECO Technology in Automation
Graduates of the Welser FH-degree automation speak the language of mechanical engineers, electrical engineers and computer scientists. But this autumn program is offered with two careers: As in the case of Verena Leitner are "ECO-technicians" deal with ecological and environmental issues. "Mechatronics" dedicated to the solution of problems in the field of classical automatic.
Bob Denman
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Thanks Chris! :clap:
Since you're a lot closer to the development of this project; please keep us informed as to it's progress! :thumbup:
Since you're a lot closer to the development of this project; please keep us informed as to it's progress! :thumbup:
ARtraveler
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The subject has come up a few times. A few of the things said.
It's not a priority project. I believe its being used as an advertising item to show that BRP is up on "green" things.
Last I heard, they do not have a working prototype--just a mock up model.
BRP got lots of money from the Canadian government to finance and research the project.
My guess is when available--it will be big bucks. My guess $40,000 plus.
It's not a priority project. I believe its being used as an advertising item to show that BRP is up on "green" things.
Last I heard, they do not have a working prototype--just a mock up model.
BRP got lots of money from the Canadian government to finance and research the project.
My guess is when available--it will be big bucks. My guess $40,000 plus.
chris56
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ROTAX has the know-how and the resources to bring out an engine like that ( best one available in the world) - but it will not be only for our Spyders – it’s the future of all (their) vehicles
e.g. ..you can hire electro-skidoos in Finland to drive absolute silent in their nature
here in the Alps (Tyrol) some areas stop the "normal" traffic if the air is not clean enough
in July/August you are not allowed to use a motor-boat in most of our lakes here
(seems its more urgent for us here in Europe .)
e.g. ..you can hire electro-skidoos in Finland to drive absolute silent in their nature
here in the Alps (Tyrol) some areas stop the "normal" traffic if the air is not clean enough
in July/August you are not allowed to use a motor-boat in most of our lakes here
(seems its more urgent for us here in Europe .)
DocRags
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When we were at Spyderfest Magog a few years ago we heard BRP has to have the hybrid up and running in a certain time period (10 years?) or pay back the Canadian government. At the Owner's Event last year the engineers/designers laughed when we asked how long it would be...then remarked "not any time soon." Hmmm....:dontknow:
Ride Master
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German Translation
Welser showcase student optimized hybrid drivetrain of a BRP recreational vehicle
The Welser-automation student Verena Leitner developed their Masters project highly dynamic control for a new hybrid drive for the BRP recreational vehicle Can-Am Spyder. In addition to a conventional internal combustion engine developed in the Upper Austria powertrain also has an electric drive. The role of the 23-year-old student showcase is to regulate the two drive systems so that the driver of the transition from electric to Verbrennerbetrieb not negatively noticeable.
BRP-Powertrain develops and manufactures vehicles and powertrains for recreational vehicles. By a new hybrid concept, the fuel consumption compared to a model with a combustion engine can be reduced at the same mileage by 50 percent.
Research for cleaner drives
In the context of K-research project ECO Powerdrive Gunskirchen the company BRP-Powertrain is working closely with the consortium leader and Graz University of Applied Sciences Upper Austria, Wels. The aim is to make a significant contribution to the "greening" of propulsion systems for recreational vehicles and related products. "We aim to cut fuel consumption and emissions - but it does not restrict the mileage," said BRP-Powertrain CEO Gerd Ohrnberger.
FH-control systems for hybrid drives
The concept of the new hybrid powertrain includes a modern automatic gearshift. "To ensure a smooth gear changes with no noticeable loss of drive, we take the electric drive to help. The developed algorithms are based on modern control theory for nonlinear systems. Is especially exciting to be the implementation of automotive development processes, as the project partner, only a fraction of the development resources of a car company can be used, "says Prof. (FH) Dr. Gernot Grabmair and adds:" Verena Leitner helped develop a complex regulatory approach. This decides what proportion of electric and internal combustion engine is used during a switching operation ", the flagship student -. It is one of the year's best - now refined this concept in control of their master's thesis.
Graduates of the Welser FH-degree automation speak the language of mechanical engineers, electrical engineers and computer scientists. But this autumn program is offered with two careers: As in the case of Verena Leitner are "ECO-technicians" deal with ecological and environmental issues. "Mechatronics" dedicated to the solution of problems in the field of classical automatic.
Welser showcase student optimized hybrid drivetrain of a BRP recreational vehicle
The Welser-automation student Verena Leitner developed their Masters project highly dynamic control for a new hybrid drive for the BRP recreational vehicle Can-Am Spyder. In addition to a conventional internal combustion engine developed in the Upper Austria powertrain also has an electric drive. The role of the 23-year-old student showcase is to regulate the two drive systems so that the driver of the transition from electric to Verbrennerbetrieb not negatively noticeable.
BRP-Powertrain develops and manufactures vehicles and powertrains for recreational vehicles. By a new hybrid concept, the fuel consumption compared to a model with a combustion engine can be reduced at the same mileage by 50 percent.
Research for cleaner drives
In the context of K-research project ECO Powerdrive Gunskirchen the company BRP-Powertrain is working closely with the consortium leader and Graz University of Applied Sciences Upper Austria, Wels. The aim is to make a significant contribution to the "greening" of propulsion systems for recreational vehicles and related products. "We aim to cut fuel consumption and emissions - but it does not restrict the mileage," said BRP-Powertrain CEO Gerd Ohrnberger.
FH-control systems for hybrid drives
The concept of the new hybrid powertrain includes a modern automatic gearshift. "To ensure a smooth gear changes with no noticeable loss of drive, we take the electric drive to help. The developed algorithms are based on modern control theory for nonlinear systems. Is especially exciting to be the implementation of automotive development processes, as the project partner, only a fraction of the development resources of a car company can be used, "says Prof. (FH) Dr. Gernot Grabmair and adds:" Verena Leitner helped develop a complex regulatory approach. This decides what proportion of electric and internal combustion engine is used during a switching operation ", the flagship student -. It is one of the year's best - now refined this concept in control of their master's thesis.
Graduates of the Welser FH-degree automation speak the language of mechanical engineers, electrical engineers and computer scientists. But this autumn program is offered with two careers: As in the case of Verena Leitner are "ECO-technicians" deal with ecological and environmental issues. "Mechatronics" dedicated to the solution of problems in the field of classical automatic.
wolfeman220940
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Bummer it would had been nice. I would had only fuel up once a week. The rss I am looking at now I will have to fuel up about every two days. My daily commute is about 75 miles round trip. Or do the same mod mr. Orange did on his.
Bob Denman
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You can get a piece of them with the new fenders for 2013; They've got a panel on the inside portion to clean the aerodynamics a bit more! :thumbup:
chris56
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KTM which is only some miles away from the ROTAX factory presents now this threewheeler ... http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...r-develops-three-wheel-electric-city-car.html
Laila's Dad
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I think it is an interesting, even neat concept but anything closed in is not in the spyder category in my opinion. I think this is more like the "T Rex" which to me is a lot flashier. This concept car will probably appeal to the smart car crowd but I think most folks who buy spyders are buying for fun and adventure. There are plenty fuel efficient cars if that is the goal.
Bob Denman
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chris56
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they make a GT Version also now .. http://wot.motortrend.com/geneva-20....html/ktm-xbow-gt-front-motion/#axzz2MIwIeOEN
Laila's Dad
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So, that isn't considered a sports car?
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