BUDS should be free!

[mnefred]

So I'm coming up on my 2 year/12,000 mile service and reading the shop manual about changing the brake fluid. According to the book changing the fluid and bleeding the brakes can not be done without using BUDS for a part of the bleeding procedure, and again to clear fault codes. Since BRP won't sell the BUDS software and annual keys for it (and I'm not interested in a pirated copy) there is no way to do this job properly other than by an authorized dealer.

The Magnuson-Moss Act as defined by 16 CFR Ch.1 (1-1-03 Edition) § 700.10 Section 102(c). (a) Section 102(c) prohibits tying arrangements that condition coverage under a written warranty on the consumer's use of an article or service {emphasis is mine} indentified by brand, trade, or corporate name unless that article or service is provided without charge to the consumer.

Seems to me this would also apply to any instance in the preventative maintenance schedule which tells you to hook up to BUDS.

Thoughts?

 

[ARtraveler]

The :spyder2: is a very high tech machine. Things having to do with the brakes are all tied into the "nanny" system.

It is my belief the "nanny" system was created for safety of the rider and not to force people to go to an authorized dealer for service.

You would probably have a difficult time under the Magnusun Moss act to prove that BRP designed the system to "force" you to go to the dealer for servicing.

It will be interesting to hear some more replies.

You can surely do all the mechanical stuff yourself, but may have to take :spyder2: to the dealer to get everything working with the computer again.

 

[Firefly]

It can be done without buds. There are instructions out here somewhere. Also, if you change it and don't quite get the air out of the lines, a good dealer old hook you up to buds and 'finish' it for little or no cost. Mine still had some air in it and the pedal was soft---stopped at a dealer while on a trip and they took 15 minutes and we fixed it. No charge.

I don't think you'd have a case under the mag act----

 

[Bob Denman]

I don't think you'd have a case under the mag act----

:agree: They've got lawyers running around in the hallways just looking for a way to justify their presence...:gaah: Do you think that nobody did their homework in valcourt?

 

[boborgera]

FREE BUD'S;; OCCUPY VALCOURT;;:roflblack::roflblack:

 

[NancysToy]

Sorry, I don't think your theory would stand a chance in court. The Spyder is no different from most other modern vehicles. The diagnostics and some adjusements and maintenance require the manufacturer's computer diagnostic system. It's a cost of doing business unless you want to go back to carburetors and cable clutches.

 

[Bob Denman]

It's a cost of doing business unless you want to go back to carburetors and cable clutches.

:yikes:
:yikes::yikes: NOOOO!! :roflblack:
At least with these things being complicated; I know enough to stay away from the critical systems. If I thought that I could actually do anything underneath the Tupperware... :shocked:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

BRAKE FLUID CHANGE

MY BRAKE FLUID IS THREE YEARS OLD NOW.....I MIGHT CONSIDER CHANGING IT IN ANOTHER THREE YEARS....BUT MAYBE NOT !!!!!.....MIKE....BE CAREFUL OUT THERE....IT'S A SCARY WORLD.....:gaah:

 

[Bob Denman]

MY BRAKE FLUID IS THREE YEARS OLD NOW.....I MIGHT CONSIDER CHANGING IT IN ANOTHER THREE YEARS....BUT MAYBE NOT !!!!!

:shocked: You are one very brave soul... :thumbup: :roflblack:
:shocked:

 

[sabunim5]

You don't need BUDS

See my post http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?15748-Yes-You-Can-Brake-Fluid-Replacement I have replaced my brake fluid twice now with No Problems.

 

[freebob]

brake fluid change and bleeding

So I'm coming up on my 2 year/12,000 mile service and reading the shop manual about changing the brake fluid. According to the book changing the fluid and bleeding the brakes can not be done without using BUDS for a part of the bleeding procedure, and again to clear fault codes. Since BRP won't sell the BUDS software and annual keys for it (and I'm not interested in a pirated copy) there is no way to do this job properly other than by an authorized dealer.

The Magnuson-Moss Act as defined by 16 CFR Ch.1 (1-1-03 Edition) § 700.10 Section 102(c). (a) Section 102(c) prohibits tying arrangements that condition coverage under a written warranty on the consumer's use of an article or service {emphasis is mine} indentified by brand, trade, or corporate name unless that article or service is provided without charge to the consumer.

Seems to me this would also apply to any instance in the preventative maintenance schedule which tells you to hook up to BUDS.

Thoughts?

This is what i've been using to do brake jobs, fluid changes and bleeding on all my vehicles and Spyders and it also can be used for checking vacuum lines...one man operation
great tool for the money well worth the investment.....

http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/brakes/mityvac-vacuum-pump-39522.html


Freebob...:doorag:

 

[GA-SPYDER]

See my post http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?15748-Yes-You-Can-Brake-Fluid-Replacement I have replaced my brake fluid twice now with No Problems.

+1, my friend.
Have bled mine, per the service manual. If you leave the key turned off, out of the :spyder2:, in the house, somewhere AWAY from the ignition switch, you will not set a code!

 

[Bob Denman]

...Buried under a rock out behind the toolshed... :roflblack: :thumbup: