Bob Denman
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Death :shocked:; from a thousand papercuts then? :gaah:
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BRP issues Campaign to address heat issue for 2013 models!!!
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3 Wheel Addict
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Be careful on that, if your bike goes in for any kind of service you may get that update anyway. Your dealer may do it without asking since it's an "across the board" campaign. I don't think they would do part of it (fuse boxes) and not do the update because there is money involved for them.
stewartj239
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That is possible, but the amount of variation we're talking here is huge. Some bikes are running snow white plugs, boiling gas and melting parts while others like mine are running normal with plugs that look spot on.
stewartj239
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I am planning to go in today to ask them about that. I am not opposed to getting it if I don't have a choice, but I would like to have the option. I'll let you know what they say.
Firstly I'm not being contentious on purpose, it's just that different folk are experiencing differing
problems with the engines on 2013 RTs (STs ?) Some get bad problems while others don't.
This has nothing to do with riding style or, within reason, ambient temperatures.
I can't help but think that the whole unfortunate episode is extremely similar to the steering
alignment problems, where one Spyder would leave the factory with totally different alignment parameters
than the next. We know that to be true.
An engine that has an electronic management system, and these days that's most of them, has inherent
problems if the ancilliary components (sensors, throttle bodies etc.) don't have accurate tolerances. This can and will
give rise to potentially wide ranging problems. The electronics are constantly monitoring and adjusting
the running parameters of the engine. That's fuel mixture, ignition timing etc. which if wrong can be
responsible for a whole gamut of entirely different but ultimately related problems.
A sensor, as has been pointed out above can be fine, but if there's a poor connection between that and the
ECU then things start to go rapidly pear-shaped. The ECU samples the reading and makes adjustments to the rest of
the system, incorrectly. An increasing number of sensors present multiplies the likelihood of errors occuring.
These errors however will not give rise to an 'Error code' being generated because the the ECU 'thinks'
that everything is peachy!
Thus the quality of the sensors and other componentry connected to the ECU has to be beyond reproach
to ensure that the engine runs well consistently. On top of all that the wiring and connectors need to be rugged enough
to handle the environment in the engine compartment. Ideally the canbus wiring should IMHO be
PTFE sleeved and terminated with high integrity connectors.
Component tolerances, manufacturing tolerances and testing procedures need to be looked at.
These are just my observations and my opinion.....they are not carved in stone and may possibly be misguided!
problems with the engines on 2013 RTs (STs ?) Some get bad problems while others don't.
This has nothing to do with riding style or, within reason, ambient temperatures.
I can't help but think that the whole unfortunate episode is extremely similar to the steering
alignment problems, where one Spyder would leave the factory with totally different alignment parameters
than the next. We know that to be true.
An engine that has an electronic management system, and these days that's most of them, has inherent
problems if the ancilliary components (sensors, throttle bodies etc.) don't have accurate tolerances. This can and will
give rise to potentially wide ranging problems. The electronics are constantly monitoring and adjusting
the running parameters of the engine. That's fuel mixture, ignition timing etc. which if wrong can be
responsible for a whole gamut of entirely different but ultimately related problems.
A sensor, as has been pointed out above can be fine, but if there's a poor connection between that and the
ECU then things start to go rapidly pear-shaped. The ECU samples the reading and makes adjustments to the rest of
the system, incorrectly. An increasing number of sensors present multiplies the likelihood of errors occuring.
These errors however will not give rise to an 'Error code' being generated because the the ECU 'thinks'
that everything is peachy!
Thus the quality of the sensors and other componentry connected to the ECU has to be beyond reproach
to ensure that the engine runs well consistently. On top of all that the wiring and connectors need to be rugged enough
to handle the environment in the engine compartment. Ideally the canbus wiring should IMHO be
PTFE sleeved and terminated with high integrity connectors.
Component tolerances, manufacturing tolerances and testing procedures need to be looked at.
These are just my observations and my opinion.....they are not carved in stone and may possibly be misguided!
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Bob Denman
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But they were wonderfully presented... :clap: nojoke
I wonder if the sensors were also supplied by a low bidder? :shocked:
MouthPiece
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Hold your horses there young Bob...I haven't finished editing it yet!!!
Thanks for putting a smile on my face. Roger and you ought to hook up.
Chris
Bob Denman
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That's what happens when you get a quality education... :thumbup:
donec
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OJ UK kind of brought up a point I wonder about. The problems are well documented on 2013 RTs and some what STs but I've seen no mention about the RS. Either there are almost no RSs out there or (it seems to me) there the problems are more related to the style of the spyder and differences in them.
I am a little concerned that making changes in the ECM Software on the spyders that don't have problems may cause problems. So once the change is made, does anyone know if it can be reversed?
I am a little concerned that making changes in the ECM Software on the spyders that don't have problems may cause problems. So once the change is made, does anyone know if it can be reversed?
Mets79ST2013
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Being there done that, I will take by bike to the dealer so they can get this done, if that doesn't fix the heat, then I can call BRP again, but I will give them the benefit of getting this done first....and I hope it works because my ST-S runs very hot..
Remember though that the RS and ST are the same machine with the same plastics below the headlights....
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flamingobabe
...in the pink (Girls On Spyders)
the ST has a different frame than the RS....things were moved around on the ST but not the RS
Incorrect. The frame (as well as most of the other parts)is the same on the 2013 RS and 2013 ST. 705203234
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cuznjohn
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just got back
i took a car ride to my dealer b4 and i brought the printed campaign papers from BRP. as of today he had no clue about it. so i asked him to order what he needed ( covers ) for the fuse blocks and as soon as i can get the bike there when the parts come in he will do the job complete and not just the software update.
i took a car ride to my dealer b4 and i brought the printed campaign papers from BRP. as of today he had no clue about it. so i asked him to order what he needed ( covers ) for the fuse blocks and as soon as i can get the bike there when the parts come in he will do the job complete and not just the software update.
SNOOPY
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I think it was George Bernard Shaw who said "England and America are two countries separated by a common language."
That being the case I have to think carefully about the words that I use when posting here.
I'm not too sure that I had a good education but I like to think that it was adequate!:thumbup:
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