BRP issues Campaign to address heat issue for 2013 models!!!

[3 Wheel Addict]

Picked up Louise new RT-S on Sat. She got a chance to put a few miles on it yesterday. It has the new ECM mapping released Friday. Upon parking in our garage last night and closing the doors.....about 10 minutes later went back out to the garage and was overwhelmed with gas fumes. Had to open garage doors and air out for an hour or so.

In the two weeks since I fixed mine, had gotten into the habit of not leaving the garage open any more. Was no longer any need. So much for that. Until she gets past 600 miles and the first checkup, I will not do any mods other than CanAm accessories she ordered.

But its obvious that while the new mapping may help, IT DOES NOT CURE THE FUEL BOILING and FUME ISSUE.

I still plan on getting the update on mine as soon as the fuse box parts are available and they can do the whole bulletin at once.

Keep working on it BRP. you are not there yet.

Afraid of that, small fix for part of it but clearly not a cure. I keep telling myself... baby steps but we will get there! Mine has had issues with the hot temp stumbling on acceleration so if it cures that i'll be happy for that one!!

 

[Ramjet]

Face it folks... :shocked:
This is probably going to be a long and arduous journey...
It will take more than one approach; to more than one system...
But BRP will figure it out! :thumbup:

Just cannot figure out if you just an optimist or a tried and true BRP Cheerleader Bob? :yes:

 

[frenchek]

I have developed a theory that lean mixture is about 80 percent of the problem. Which means that a ECU flash could go a long way to correct that.

I am basing this on my own 13 RT Limited which does not have heat problems even in 105 degree weather while in traffic. No gas boiling, no melting of the brake manifold, no excesive heat through the seat. The tupperware, gas filler, and seat get WARM to the touch but not pink-burn hot. If I dont wear boots my right foot gets uncomfortably hot, but thats the same on other bikes and i wear boots always. (There is a 15 inch wheel rolling right in front of my foot)

When I say 'not excessive heat' I mean, no worse than any other big twin in hot weather. My 2012 Harley Ultra will fry your leg pink if you ride in shorts, and the heat rolls up from under the gas tank VISIBLY its brutal. 105 ambient + 100 thermal = rolling pink thunder thighs.

The reaosn I think my mixture is richer than normal (therefore the engine is cooler) is that my gas mileage sucks, there is a fair amount of black soot on the exhaust openings, and it 'behaves' like a rich engine - just based on my experience. Example, in cold weather, it starts right up and runs like warm, whereas lean-burners tend to pop and stumble in cold weather. Also the pipes have no bluing or discoloration. The oil has a LOT of carbon in it. Also no popping on deceleration = rich mixture.

My 2 cents

Also, its white. White ones run cooler.

what is your mpg--I agree with your thoughts-my 2013rt has the same mo--blue ones run COOL to :yes:

 

[flamingobabe]

I will agree 100%...but mine has been running lean...white chalky plugs....mpg...I'll get 19 to 36...just depending....can't trust it....looking forward to the ECM flash...2013-9...but BRP has to follow government regulations....so we will see

I have developed a theory that lean mixture is about 80 percent of the problem. Which means that a ECU flash could go a long way to correct that.

I am basing this on my own 13 RT Limited which does not have heat problems even in 105 degree weather while in traffic. No gas boiling, no melting of the brake manifold, no excesive heat through the seat. The tupperware, gas filler, and seat get WARM to the touch but not pink-burn hot. If I dont wear boots my right foot gets uncomfortably hot, but thats the same on other bikes and i wear boots always. (There is a 15 inch wheel rolling right in front of my foot)

When I say 'not excessive heat' I mean, no worse than any other big twin in hot weather. My 2012 Harley Ultra will fry your leg pink if you ride in shorts, and the heat rolls up from under the gas tank VISIBLY its brutal. 105 ambient + 100 thermal = rolling pink thunder thighs.

The reaosn I think my mixture is richer than normal (therefore the engine is cooler) is that my gas mileage sucks, there is a fair amount of black soot on the exhaust openings, and it 'behaves' like a rich engine - just based on my experience. Example, in cold weather, it starts right up and runs like warm, whereas lean-burners tend to pop and stumble in cold weather. Also the pipes have no bluing or discoloration. The oil has a LOT of carbon in it. Also no popping on deceleration = rich mixture.

My 2 cents

Also, its white. White ones run cooler.

 

[flamingobabe]

we'll see what happens with the new flash...but if y'all got and still problems...keep me in touch...congrats to Louise....hope to ride with y'all when they finish my bike....will go to shop after BRP calls me back...hopefully today


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Picked up Louise new RT-S on Sat. She got a chance to put a few miles on it yesterday. It has the new ECM mapping released Friday. Upon parking in our garage last night and closing the doors.....about 10 minutes later went back out to the garage and was overwhelmed with gas fumes. Had to open garage doors and air out for an hour or so.

In the two weeks since I fixed mine, had gotten into the habit of not leaving the garage open any more. Was no longer any need. So much for that. Until she gets past 600 miles and the first checkup, I will not do any mods other than CanAm accessories she ordered.

But its obvious that while the new mapping may help, IT DOES NOT CURE THE FUEL BOILING and FUME ISSUE.

I still plan on getting the update on mine as soon as the fuse box parts are available and they can do the whole bulletin at once.

Keep working on it BRP. you are not there yet.

 

[DrewNJ]

Your dead on Unclejay!
Any of you that think its only trapped heat and that airflow mods, fans,etc under the plastic are the solution really need to pull all that plastic off and go for a ride. You will experience the same, if not worse as having the plastic in place.
Proper tuning on a water cooled motor is a big part of cooling.

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[Bob Denman]

Just cannot figure out if you just an optimist or a tried and true BRP Cheerleader Bob? :yes:

Optimist; pure and VERY simple!
But it's pretty reasonable to expect that BRP will want to grow it's market share with the Spyders... c:thumbup:
They know that's not going to happen if they've got "Grumblings" that are ongoing... :shocked:
The full weight of their engineering strength will be brought down on this; and they'll have an answer for the 2013 owners...
The $64,000 Question: is When? :dontknow:

 

[Ramjet]

I can answer that Bob....................... not soon enough.

 

[flamingobabe]

I'm beyond frustration with mine 2013 ST...BRP's Trailer Queen needs fixed or replaced....no one from BRP will call me back since 9am cst...I've called 3 times to Carlo and once to service....too early to start drinking

 

[Dat Guy]

So... how would someone living in Claifornia get this much needed update? CARB states be damned, I'm sick of roasting on my Spyder. :banghead:

 

[Jeriatric]

i'm beyond frustration with mine 2013 ST...BRP's Trailer Queen needs fixed or replaced....no one from BRP will call me back since 9am cst...I've called 3 times to Carlo and once to service....too early to start drinking

It's five o'clock somewhere.......

So... how would someone living in Claifornia get this much needed update? CARB states be damned, I'm sick of roasting on my Spyder. :banghead:

You're going to get a headache doing that.

The sufferers of heat line is replete with cooked riders. Welcome to the roast!

 

[flamingobabe]

I have spoken with a BRP rep and things will begin to happen...I'm feeling better.....really nice rep...seems to understand mechanics some....more discussion tomorrow....I'm feeling better

I'm beyond frustration with mine 2013 ST...BRP's Trailer Queen needs fixed or replaced....no one from BRP will call me back since 9am cst...I've called 3 times to Carlo and once to service....too early to start drinking

 

[MouthPiece]

opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:

 

[JacqueTanis]

I have spoken with a BRP rep and things will begin to happen...I'm feeling better.....really nice rep...seems to understand mechanics some....more discussion tomorrow....I'm feeling better

LOL, tell him to call me when he's done with you - we need to talk before the heat starts effecting my ST-L like it has yours. Would be nice if they get it fixed BEFORE the damage sets in ...

 

[Bob Denman]

I have spoken with a BRP rep and things will begin to happen...I'm feeling better.....really nice rep...seems to understand mechanics some....more discussion tomorrow....I'm feeling better

:clap: :2thumbs: Please let us know what they're able to do for you! :yes:hyea::yes:

Who was it???

 

[hotglue]

It is always something...hoping a fix is in the works, but fear the heat has already taken it's toll.

 

[stewartj239]

I have developed a theory that lean mixture is about 80 percent of the problem. Which means that a ECU flash could go a long way to correct that.

Agreed. That is my theory as well. After 4500 miles, I have had none of the issues that others have reported and it was proven when I pulled my plugs a couple of weeks ago to check them out. One plug looks perfect and the other is a little rich. I am thinking about skipping the ECM update because I'm not sure I need it, or I already have it. I bet that not all Spyders have the same map as tweaks are often made during a production run.

 

[NancysToy]

Agreed. That is my theory as well. After 4500 miles, I have had none of the issues that others have reported and it was proven when I pulled my plugs a couple of weeks ago to check them out. One plug looks perfect and the other is a little rich. I am thinking about skipping the ECM update because I'm not sure I need it, or I already have it. I bet that not all Spyders have the same map as tweaks are often made during a production run.

Less likely that they have different maps than that sensor variations would cause most variation. Differences in O2 sensors, temperature sensors, and MAP sensors would all affect the mixture. It has also been seen that the sensor wiring can affect the mixture in some Spyders...particularly extension harnesses.

 

[Bob Denman]

Scotty,
Are you saying, that this could all be the result of some sensors being flaky??? :shocked: :gaah:

 

[NancysToy]

Scotty,
Are you saying, that this could all be the result of some sensors being flaky??? :shocked: :gaah:

No, but there is always some variation in sensor output that could affect the mixture from machine to machine. Normally it isn't noticeable, but when the mapping is very close to the point of super-lean (or rich) and/or when multiple sensors all vary in the same direction, it could happen. The programming is a constant, the inputs are all that are likely to change or vary.