BRP got it made

[wftb]

from what i have read , the 2013 RT models got a new frame and modified suspension compared to the older models .i think why the heat issues are so much worse is BRP designed the new frame so it would work with the 2014 3 cylinder motor .unfortunately that meant that a lot of things got rerouted to fit the existing motor to fit the new frame .so the 2013 are hotter running than previous years .most reviews praised the improved handling of the 2013 .but they never rode it long enough to get the extreme heat issues to rear their ugly head .my spyder is a 2009 GS and it puts out a lot of heat compared to my honda 750 aero (the rad fan has never even turned on yet).i prefer not to ride the spyder on a hot day .i could not cope with the hotter temps most southern riders get all the time .a hot day around here is 80 degrees F .

 

[spyder3]

Scotty,

How would you explain the meltdown internally on some of these bikes, but not all. This would have nothing to do with the rider.

Ann is a veteran rider...Fire FB is a veteran rider.... Hot ride :dontknow:

 

[boborgera]

Scotty,

How would you explain the meltdown internally on some of these bikes, but not all. This would have nothing to do with the rider.

:dontknow:

It's called an intangible.???? Sometimes you get the Bear, And sometimes the Bear gets you.
I had a Pinto [73] and it never went up in flames, But from what i understood some did...:dontknow:

 

[flamingobabe]

well...I went on a ride yesterday behind Mark on the Valk and enjoyed it.....I told myself I was going to not post any more about the 2013's heat issues...it is driving me to a place I have never been and it's not pretty...but that is my issue....but.....this is my second Spyder total 65k always wear boots and jeans,,,,,1st Spyder never much heat...fixed all the little problems and loved the 09 RS.....but if you have never owned a 2013 with the heat issues you don't really understand...I have stopped, put my helmet on handlebar area...1 hour later picked up helmet...dropped it cause it was too hot to touch....cruise control on...rest hand on handlebar...not on 2013...it will burn your hand.....the panels at top that read Can-am extremely hot for 2+ hours...it shudders and shakes at take-off and reverse...it is not the clutch it is in the engine....gas cap so hot you can't hardly touch...gas boiling...have to wait and let gas cool before gas will go in tank...smell of gas for 1 to 2 hours after shut down....leave bike out near road until cooled...don't want to burn down garage......white spark plugs...running lean....my husband can fix anything.....but we will not fix a defected machine that cost $25,000 and less than 6months old, experiencing all these problems...what is this extreme heat doing to the engine? rubber parts, plastic parts....I try really hard to work with BRP and dealer working on Spyder....I'm exhausted...this is not directed to anyone person...so please do not take my comments personally...just a frustrated 2013 ST owner

 

[hotglue]

I told her to leave the key in it when it is parked out by the road..... problem solved!!! :yes:..... but I don't know that someone could figure out how to start the Spyder:gaah: LOL

 

[Bob Denman]

This is after they performed the recall work? :shocked:
Has there been any word on getting you a set of the 2014 body panels?

 

[spyder3]

I told her to leave the key in it when it is parked out by the road..... problem solved!!! :yes:..... but I don't know that someone could figure out how to start the Spyder:gaah: LOL

Mark, leave directions on how to. :banghead:

 

[wftb]

i think the people that say they dont have heat problems just dont ride in long enough stints to get the bike hot .either that or they work for BRP and plant themselves in here to post good things about their products .i call those people "plants " and they are on a lot of forums . also , to some people a long ride is 100 miles with a break every 25 miles .it is pretty much impossible for some of these bikes to heat up and some not to .underneath the hood , they are all the same .and they all have been recalled , not just the ones that heat up .

 

[hotglue]

This is after they performed the recall work? :shocked:
Has there been any word on getting you a set of the 2014 body panels?

Bob, the recall does NOTHING about the heat.... it just redirects it from the MC and canister.... All of the other issues including gas spewing out of the tank at fillup, gas fumes when stopped after riding. rough running at idle( 800 to 2000 rpm) shake and shuttering engine at takeoff.. forward and reverse......BRP will have to fix these things. I am not in the least concerned about hot rider leg issues. Hot component issues is the problem. Fix that, and the other issues will go away. In the shop for over 2 weeks. Hope they can fix it.... but BRP needs to get off their largely dead butt and send a cure to the dealers....IE: more fuel to cool the EGT, open the Tupperware to let the heat out( as previous models had) It is their baby under warranty..... I'm done with it.... We TRAVEL on the bikes, and FB needs a bike she can trust to get her there and back....These bikes have been out since 08.... has ANYONE put 100,000 mile on a spyder yet.... the time frame is there. Just have not heard of anybody making it that far on 1 bike..... it is after all, a WATER cooled engine.... should be good for many miles......:banghead: Oh... BRP said NO to the body panels.

 

[Bob Denman]

While melting parts is an an issue that can be both quantifed and verified; the perception of heat cannot be...
:lecturef_smilie: I can't believe that just because somebody happens to like their 2013; you'd call them a "plant"... :gaah:
Do you call the folks who do complain "Whiners"? You really should treat both sides of the issue as fairly as possible.
I can offer some sympathy and support to those with issues, and congratulations to those who are unaffected...
I even will sometimes try to offer a direction for the search for answers...
Your comments were very polarizing and unfair...

 

[Bob Denman]

.:banghead: Oh... BRP said NO to the body panels.[/QUOTE]
:gaah: That stinks! :gaah:

I honestly think that those panels would get the air slinging down through the bodywork, and get the heat out from under there...
That excess ehat might be in part causing your overly lean condition...
Since higher temperatures result in a less-dense charge of air going into the bike; the computers throw in a less-dense charge of fuel...
If you could lower the readings that the sensor is giving to the computers by getting it out fromn under the Tupperware; it might help...

(Would you be willing to move the sensor up into the nose of the bike somewhere? :dontknow
I know very little about these thngs; but I do know two-stroke tuning; and some of those lessons apply here... TUNE FOR THE TEMPERATURE... only in this case; the bike is tuning for the wrong temperature! :banghead:

 

[hotglue]

You have good ideas Bob, but I will not make any changes to a NEW bike under warranty... BRP would simply refuse to fix it if I make changes to their bike. Like I said, I'm done... it's up to BRP to fix it.... then everyone will benefit!

 

[Bob Denman]

I can understand your frustration... :gaah:
And I am sorry that you and Char have been put through this. :shocked:

 

[SpyderAnn01]

Scotty,

How would you explain the meltdown internally on some of these bikes, but not all. This would have nothing to do with the rider.

Ann is a veteran rider...Fire FB is a veteran rider.... Hot ride :dontknow:

First let me say that I did not find my 2013 to be any hotter than the 2010 but I live in Las Vegas and anything you ride is going to be hot. But explaining the meltdown is another story completely. My Spoyder burned because I rode it on long trips, many, many long trips. Look at it this way, think of Rider A as a pot of water that you put on the stove and turn it to high for one minute. Will the water boil after one minute? No. And if you wait another hour then turn it to high for one minute will it boil this time? No, it won't not even if you repeat this every hour. But if you put Rider B's pot of water on the stove on high and leave it on for 10 minutes it will boil. And if you do this every hour it will boil each time.

I am Rider B and I rode long enough that my Evap canister or master cylinder melted completely through which resulted in either fuel or fluid igniting.

I told her to leave the key in it when it is parked out by the road..... problem solved!!! :yes:..... but I don't know that someone could figure out how to start the Spyder:gaah: LOL

I was beginning to feel that way about mine before the fire I had more problems with the 2013 in 13 weeks than I ever had in three years on the 2010.

i think the people that say they dont have heat problems just dont ride in long enough stints to get the bike hot .either that or they work for BRP and plant themselves in here to post good things about their products .i call those people "plants " and they are on a lot of forums . also , to some people a long ride is 100 miles with a break every 25 miles .it is pretty much impossible for some of these bikes to heat up and some not to .underneath the hood , they are all the same .and they all have been recalled , not just the ones that heat up .

I post a lot of good things about Spyders and even though mine burned I still love the Spyder and can not wait to give the 2014 a go. I'm pretty sure that BRP would love to have me planted somewhere besides behind a keyboard though.

Bob, the recall does NOTHING about the heat.... it just redirects it from the MC and canister.... All of the other issues including gas spewing out of the tank at fillup, gas fumes when stopped after riding. rough running at idle( 800 to 2000 rpm) shake and shuttering engine at takeoff.. forward and reverse......BRP will have to fix these things. I am not in the least concerned about hot rider leg issues. Hot component issues is the problem. Fix that, and the other issues will go away. In the shop for over 2 weeks. Hope they can fix it.... but BRP needs to get off their largely dead butt and send a cure to the dealers....IE: more fuel to cool the EGT, open the Tupperware to let the heat out( as previous models had) It is their baby under warranty..... I'm done with it.... We TRAVEL on the bikes, and FB needs a bike she can trust to get her there and back....These bikes have been out since 08.... has ANYONE put 100,000 mile on a spyder yet.... the time frame is there. Just have not heard of anybody making it that far on 1 bike..... it is after all, a WATER cooled engine.... should be good for many miles......:banghead: Oh... BRP said NO to the body panels.

I agree that the recall seems to be just a bandaid.

 

[bug's zedi]

The thing about the 2013's is they have the same engine, same exhaust, same cat, same plugs, same headers, same intake and same cooling system as a 2012.

Yet the 2013's put out a lot more heat.

It's not just damaging parts because of their location (and the locations did change for some things). It's because the engine itself is producing more heat.

Does it run hotter? No, the cooling system is keeping it at the designated operating temp. But that doesn't mean more heat isn't being created.

Here's an example:

Take a 2012 RT and a 2013 RT who live next door to each other.

Go for a 300 mile ride together on the Interstate at interstate speeds. Doesn't matter the temp outside.

Put into your respective, identical, garages when you get home. Measure the temp inside when you pull in and 1 hour later.

The garage with the 2012 might go up 3 or 4 degrees while the garage with the 2013 goes up 30-40 degrees. No joke. Pull in at 70F and 1 hour later it's 110F in there. On a cool day!

I'll spare you the math that determines how much stored energy is being released by a 2013 vs a 2012 but the BTU's generated by the 2013 are 10 times what comes off the 2012.

Oh it's not the perfect scientific experiment, but what the heck did they do to these to make them so darn hot? It's the same engine, same exhaust, same cat, same plugs, same headers, same intake and same cooling.

Not that this comes to a surprise, but these things run really lean which will increase EGT's dramatically. I'm guessing in their quest for higher fuel efficiency and lower emissions they increased the EGT's with a leaner mix at higher rpms (6000+, the kind you get at constant, prolonged Interstate speeds) which is the root of the problem.

Melting parts are a symptom. Hot gas cap, sizzling fuel, hot crotch, hot left side panel... all just symptoms of the problem. BRP will bandage the ones that are safety hazards quickly, but the rest are just "the way it is". It's pretty unlikely that they'll be fixing the root of the problem with an existing model.

Like the hot foot problems of the past, it'll be up to us to figure out how to live with our 2013's.

There is a relatively cheap and much more accurate way of determining heat comparisons. For $25.99 on sale Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/ sells an infrared thermometer that measures the heat of watever you point it at. Do the ride then take readings at the same point on both bikes, and you will get the answer. It could also be used to measue the temp at areas where you may come in contact with the bike. If say the gas cap is measured and is at a teperature great enough to burn skin (I do not know what temp that is) then the heat issue becomes a safety issue. This will bring it to the top of the company's list of concerns, since in some states the lemon laws can be used for unrecosileable safety issues.

 

[daveinva]

These bikes have been out since 08.... has ANYONE put 100,000 mile on a spyder yet.....

Yes.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?46081-six-figures&highlight=100k

 

[flamingobabe]

Yes.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?46081-six-figures&highlight=100k

The only Spyder with over 100k mentioned was Doc's and 3 engines and a host of other replacements.....I posted in that thread with 51k on 2009 RS....oh no I couldn't just keep riding that wonderful baby....sold it in Feb 2013 with 54k love that bike...now I'm the proud owner of a 2013 ST with extreme heat issues....lucky me.....but who has 100k with few issues? that is the question

 

[jerpinoy]

Heat issues? There are no heat issues! Just ask most dealers.
I went to three different dealers in my area and got the same answer " we have not heard of anyone with heat issues":banghead:
Must of surprised them to get the recall:shocked:

I think most people who have heat problems don't realize its a problem until they do and it will be to late. BRP already did a recall and why these dealers still insist there is no heat problems. Dealers are naive and try to convince others otherwise. I feel sorry for these dealers denial.:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[Cruzr Joe]

from what i have read , the 2013 RT models got a new frame and modified suspension compared to the older models .i think why the heat issues are so much worse is BRP designed the new frame so it would work with the 2014 3 cylinder motor .unfortunately that meant that a lot of things got rerouted to fit the existing motor to fit the new frame .so the 2013 are hotter running than previous years .most reviews praised the improved handling of the 2013 .but they never rode it long enough to get the extreme heat issues to rear their ugly head .my spyder is a 2009 GS and it puts out a lot of heat compared to my honda 750 aero (the rad fan has never even turned on yet).i prefer not to ride the spyder on a hot day .i could not cope with the hotter temps most southern riders get all the time .a hot day around here is 80 degrees F .

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[Cruzr Joe]

i think the people that say they dont have heat problems just dont ride in long enough stints to get the bike hot .either that or they work for BRP and plant themselves in here to post good things about their products .i call those people "plants " and they are on a lot of forums . also , to some people a long ride is 100 miles with a break every 25 miles .it is pretty much impossible for some of these bikes to heat up and some not to .underneath the hood , they are all the same .and they all have been recalled , not just the ones that heat up .

I am not a plant, i have 8,000 miles on my 13 since mid april, no heat issues as a rider, mc was melting but dealer has fixed it and i am riding again still no heat issues, usualy 250 mile daily trips, oh, i dont work for BRP or any of their affiliates either

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