Brake Failer Reset Frustration!!!

[wilpir]

Nope just moved here a couple of months ago...members should beware of posters offering advice that have no business in doing so especially from other countries!!

 

[Gwolf]

Does the starter try to engage even if the engine kill switch is off?

 

[wilpir]

Yes ..I tried that too..very confusing

 

[SpyderAnn01]

Nope just moved here a couple of months ago...members should beware of posters offering advice that have no business in doing so especially from other countries!![/

I know you’re frustrated but blaming someone else for your situation is wrong. If you didn’t know how to disconnect and reconnect the battery you probably shouldn’t have attempted it.

 

[wilpir]

Ive had motorcycles my whole life , raced supermoto for years never had a problem with disconnecting a battery in my life! Didn't know it would do this to my bike ! No where in the manual does it say this happens....

 

[Eviltwin]

Sounds like the starter solenoid is stuck closed. Not quite sure how that can happen, but I dont have another way to explain why it tries to crank as soon as the battery is reconnected.

 

[wilpir]

Sounds like the starter solenoid is stuck closed. Not quite sure how that can happen, but I dont have another way to explain why it tries to crank as soon as the battery is reconnected.

Any way to close it? What does it look like or where located?

 

[Gwolf]

D2 DIODE (STARTER SOLENOID)
D2 Diode Troubleshooting
A defective D2 diode will result in the following
conditions.
Shorted Diode
Fuse F8 will blow continually.
Open Diode
Diode will not provide protection to the sensitive
electronic components. Malfunction or damage
may occur to the ECM.


Replacement is on page 439 of my service manual. May be on a different page of your manual since I have F3-S. Same section has troubleshooting instructions and procedures for testing with a multi-meter. If you are going to attempt the repair you are going to need the manual and a few testing tools.

It just looks like a typical starter solenoid........

 

[PaladinLV]

Turn the Emergency/Kill switch to OFF!
Hook up battery.

Then proceed as you normally would and see what happens. If it tries to start, let it start. Rev the engine, let it come up to temp and then try normal shutdown.

 

[Bfromla]

Automatic starter would mean stuck switch & or relay(by passing the computer), unrelated to the brake issue. Disconnected battery is a sound reset for the brake & other warnings, unfortunately something else just went wrong. & as many times as you have tried already, may cause physical damage to the battery & or wire terminal(weld pits). Glad you have not left on long.
Code C1282 according to the spyder codes app is : Possible hydraulic brake circuit leak. & needs to be checked for fluid leaks. If & when you get the battery/starter issue resolved. Suggest you look in manual & find what relay to pull some are supposed to be swappable.
Would definitely get the relay tested. The Solenoid could be bad too usually would pop fuses first & fail to start (usually, not 100%)

 

[Eviltwin]

D2 DIODE (STARTER SOLENOID)
D2 Diode Troubleshooting
A defective D2 diode will result in the following
conditions.
Shorted Diode
Fuse F8 will blow continually.
Open Diode
Diode will not provide protection to the sensitive
electronic components. Malfunction or damage
may occur to the ECM.


Replacement is on page 439 of my service manual. May be on a different page of your manual since I have F3-S. Same section has troubleshooting instructions and procedures for testing with a multi-meter. If you are going to attempt the repair you are going to need the manual and a few testing tools.

It just looks like a typical starter solenoid........

Starter motor is on the front of the engine, not sure if the starter solenoid is there also. At this stage, probably the best bet is to remove the side panels and start looking around. You can trace back from the battery easy enough. It's going to be a heavy cable to carry the current. Can also go from the starter backward to find it.

When you locate it, try and disconnect positive and then see if the bike powers up with the battery. You can also check for the 12v signal voltage to the solenoid to see if somehow that is closing it or you could give it a sharp tap to see if its something mechanical that is binding it.

Basic troubleshooting at this point, if you arent comfortable with it then best to have it trailered to a dealer. HTH.

 

[Eviltwin]

Turn the Emergency/Kill switch to OFF!
Hook up battery.

Then proceed as you normally would and see what happens. If it tries to start, let it start. Rev the engine, let it come up to temp and then try normal shutdown.

What emergency kill switch? The one on the handlebar? If the solenoid is stuck, that switch is out of the equation.

Problem with this idea is that if indeed the bike started which is doubtful due to the electronics, then if the starter is still running the gear would be still meshed in the flywheel and it would probably trash the starter and may damage the flywheel.

 

[stevencovert]

Remove both fuse box covers, look for the starter relay. May be stuck. Remove it and try battery cable again.

 

[wilpir]

Remove both fuse box covers, look for the starter relay. May be stuck. Remove it and try battery cable again.

This sounds like a plan found the solenoid..could I just remove red wire from solenoid and then reattach neg to battery?

 

[Eviltwin]

This sounds like a plan found the solenoid..could I just remove red wire from solenoid and then reattach neg to battery?

Yes, if you remove the heavy red cable, there is no power to go to the starter. Then if the battery is back in the circuit, you can see what powers up. You can also test for 12v to the solenoid coil to see if that is holding it closed.

Starter relay may be stuck, removing it could also disengage the solenoid. But if solenoid is stuck then relay wont matter. Make sense?

 

[wilpir]

Yes, if you remove the heavy red cable, there is no power to go to the starter. Then if the battery is back in the circuit, you can see what powers up. You can also test for 12v to the solenoid coil to see if that is holding it closed.

Starter relay may be stuck, removing it could also disengage the solenoid. But if solenoid is stuck then relay wont matter. Make sense?

Yes I will try it , to see if it unsticks..Thanx out to garage to beat the heat....

 

[wilpir]

Ok removed the 2 red wires from starter solenoid..then was able to reconnect neg battery side no sparks no starting..when I went to reattach 2 red wires to starter solenoid, starter started spinning!..put key in and started bike went to turn off and starter was spinning..so I disconnected 2 red wires again..Any thoughts on how to unstick solenoid? Thanx for all the help at least its narrowed down now..

 

[Gwolf]

Ok removed the 2 red wires from starter solenoid..then was able to reconnect neg battery side no sparks no starting..when I went to reattach 2 red wires to starter solenoid, starter started spinning!..put key in and started bike went to turn off and starter was spinning..so I disconnected 2 red wires again..Any thoughts on how to unstick solenoid? Thanx for all the help at least its narrowed down now..

Yeah, I got some thoughts on it........ buy a new $25 starter solenoid and put it on before you have to spend several hundred replacing starter gears or wiring harness. If it stuck once, it will stick again, at the worse possible time.

 

[wilpir]

Yeah, I got some thoughts on it........ buy a new $25 starter solenoid and put it on before you have to spend several hundred replacing starter gears or wiring harness. If it stuck once, it will stick again, at the worse possible time.

Already on order along with a printed shop manual( to show how to change it out without messing anything else up!) so this doesn't happen again.....

 

[Gwolf]

Already on order along with a printed shop manual( to show how to change it out without messing anything else up!) so this doesn't happen again.....

That should fix the starter problem. Might be wise to test that D2 diode while you got it open. It should be right by the solenoid. Test procedures are in the manual starter repair section. If the diode is allowing reverse current or two way current it will damage the system.