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belt tensioner

ponyexp

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There's a lot of talk on belt tensioners but I'm to cheap to spend big money on a belt tensioner. I live in froze up northern
Minnesota and the Spyder is all covered up for the winter. But I do have plans to put a belt tensioner on in the spring if spring ever comes up here. I'm using a automotive under the hood type belt tensioner. You can get a new Dorman belt tensioner under $30 and all I plan to do is make a mounting bracket for it. I better wait til spring in case of brain freeze.
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Denny
 
Automotive belt tensioners will likely exert too much pressure for the Spyder. All you want to do is to apply enough pressure to keep the slack out...not enough to increase the belt tension. Too much belt tension can damage the rear wheel and sprocket bearings, destroy the front sprocket, and even destroy the output shaft and shaft bearings. The adjustable belt tensioners (technically belt idlers) marketed for the Spyder have been engineered for the application and tested on the Spyder. They are worth the money when you consider the costs of repairs for problems caused by excessive belt tension. I am all for innovation and experimentation, but it could get expensive in this case. You may wish to reconsider.
 
First things first..!!

do you need one..?? The smoothspyder we use has a 12lb push. If you can adjust the one you are installing it should work..:thumbup:
 
Interested in seeing how this works out. The tensioner available for the Spyder now seem to be way over priced. IMO
 
Interested in seeing how this works out. The tensioner available for the Spyder now seem to be way over priced. IMO

:agree:.... Most things for our Spyders are over priced. But what I've noticed is if it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars people won't buy it, because they don't trust it (it's cheap)..

I am also considering making my own belt tensioner. It's not rocket science to make one, just take some ingenuity to get it done right. I should be able to make one for about $50 and a few hours of my time.

Automotive style serpentine belt tensioners are what some of the Spyder tensioners are made of. The tension can be adjusted by the bracket that is made to hold it in place. You basically need a spring loaded wheel/pulley to lightly apply tension/pressure to the lower portion of the belt so it does not flop while accelerating. Automotive style tensioners use bearings that are designed to withstand the rpms that the belt will produce thus being reliable for long travel use and many years of trouble free service.
 
:agree:.... Most things for our Spyders are over priced. But what I've noticed is if it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars people won't buy it, because they don't trust it (it's cheap)..

I am also considering making my own belt tensioner. It's not rocket science to make one, just take some ingenuity to get it done right. I should be able to make one for about $50 and a few hours of my time.

Automotive style serpentine belt tensioners are what some of the Spyder tensioners are made of. The tension can be adjusted by the bracket that is made to hold it in place. You basically need a spring loaded wheel/pulley to lightly apply tension/pressure to the lower portion of the belt so it does not flop while accelerating. Automotive style tensioners use bearings that are designed to withstand the rpms that the belt will produce thus being reliable for long travel use and many years of trouble free service.


Make two.:)
 
This just may have been my motivation to get it done. I'll let you know as soon as I get it perfected. Just need time from work to do it.
 
I love compitation like this, it prove some of us are still in good spirit of making gadget. Maybe will see some prices of belt tentioners will change.
 
I love compitation like this, it prove some of us are still in good spirit of making gadget. Maybe will see some prices of belt tentioners will change.


IMO $100 to $150 should the range for this, still a little high, but I understand people need to make it worth putting it up for sale. But for something as reasonably simple as this, $250 plus shipping is just too high.

Now I also understand that some here are no way in the world inclined or have the know how to do this on their own so price is no object for a needed fix.

My bike is fine, but if a tensioner makes the ride a touch smoother I wouldn't mind throwing $100 at it.
 
Perceived value

IMO this is a personal decision, how much value you place upon an item is not an absolute concept.

Example, I can not bring myself to lay out nearly $1K for an aftermarket seat. However I would not say the makers of the seat are overcharging, on the contrary many people find that the cost versus reward of the seat is a good value.

Another example, I just installed the new smooth spyder belt tensioner, I held off on the old design because I really didn't want to drill to the frame to install. The new design requires no drilling, included everything I needed and I was impressed with what it did to MY belt vibrations. I value the warranty and especially the quality of the components, I imagine it would outlast a couple of spyders. I count it as one of the best values of any mod I have done to our RT.

Just MY 2 cents :banghead:
 
For the record, I am not saying anyone's product here is not worth it. Just saying that to me some of these things aren't worth the money when I have no apparent problem.


On a side note, you mention your seat was worth it....I would love a more comfortable seat, can someone PM me about a much more comfortable seat they are happy w/ for a ST-S? Lol

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IMO this is a personal decision, how much value you place upon an item is not an absolute concept.

Example, I can not bring myself to lay out nearly $1K for an aftermarket seat. However I would not say the makers of the seat are overcharging, on the contrary many people find that the cost versus reward of the seat is a good value.

Another example, I just installed the new smooth spyder belt tensioner, I held off on the old design because I really didn't want to drill to the frame to install. The new design requires no drilling, included everything I needed and I was impressed with what it did to MY belt vibrations. I value the warranty and especially the quality of the components, I imagine it would outlast a couple of spyders. I count it as one of the best values of any mod I have done to our RT.

Just MY 2 cents :banghead:

I just installed the new model smooth spyder and it is awesome. Took all the bad vibes away. To me it was well worth the money spent. I also agree about the seats.
 
:agree:.... Most things for our Spyders are over priced. But what I've noticed is if it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars people won't buy it, because they don't trust it (it's cheap)..

I am also considering making my own belt tensioner. It's not rocket science to make one, just take some ingenuity to get it done right. I should be able to make one for about $50 and a few hours of my time.

Automotive style serpentine belt tensioners are what some of the Spyder tensioners are made of. The tension can be adjusted by the bracket that is made to hold it in place. You basically need a spring loaded wheel/pulley to lightly apply tension/pressure to the lower portion of the belt so it does not flop while accelerating. Automotive style tensioners use bearings that are designed to withstand the rpms that the belt will produce thus being reliable for long travel use and many years of trouble free service.

I am all for those who want to tackle making their OWN tensioners and bracket designs.
Fortunately for those that have limited mechanical knowledge and equipment or more money than time, there is some help out there for the vibration.
As Scotty said, the automotive serpentine tensioners are not suitable for this application. They apply 10X the tension from start-up. They are too strong, not adjustable and designed to keep a lot of tension on 6-8 pulleys with no teeth. You need a 1/2" breaker bar to move them enough just to change a belt.

Spend the money to get the best adjustable tensioner available if your going to the effort and time of making a bracket.
The serpentine automotive idlers will work, but are not made for sustained 6000 RPM in the spyder drive train, but for 2000 RPM on the front of an engine.
While many serpentine idlers use the same 6203 bearing size as does the flat belt composite idlers, some will heat up due to the tight clearance.
Automotive Idlers are usually steel and built much tighter with no play in the bearings, for quietness, low speed and a lot of tension.
The purpose built flat belt composite idlers use the 6203 bearing 094.jpgalso, but with a C-4 designation, meaning they have 4 times the internal clearance as a regular 6203 bearing.
They are set-up loose and made for a lower tension and much higher sustained speed without burning up, although some can be noisy at times.
I have tried every pulley on the market and have given up trying to re-invent the wheel, the composite flat belt idlers are still the best despite the occasional belt noise. They last a long time if you don't blow the grease out with a pressure washer.
Hope this helps, good luck.
 
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