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We all believe we're right when we post our opinions aren't we. Other than complements, greeting, welcomes, etc., I’m pretty slow to post and mostly ask questions. UNLESS, my experience, in this case huge improvement in heat tells me something different than a book. I'm no different, but I am outspoken and may indeed vehemently debate my point more than others when I know I'm right and I will not back down. If that rubs you or anyone else the wrong way then I'm sorry, Spoken like a true and honest control freak……… you'll see I often support people whom I agree with even in debates. Why is that such a challenge? I am fair and honest but I do not suffer fools gladly so you better know your stuff backwards and forwards if you go up against me. No problem, but doubt it'll make a difference.

I have only about 900 posts here unlike the many thousands others have because I pick my topics very carefully and only post when I have something valuable to offer. If I post an opinion and someone disagrees with me I will continue to post until the discussion resolves itself. Or people quite, because they are tired of the ranting. I will not back down when challenged, intimidated, or insulted. I’m far from intimidating and insulting. Like you, I pointed out the truth. Seems you were getting defensive, so I was pointing out why you may be feeling the rejection. Content matters, so does tact. Books matter, so do experiences. That's just the way I am and I make no apologies for that. I'm not asking anyone to like me but if you listen to what I say you may learn something valuable because I have much to offer from a lifetime of experience in high tech engineering.

This topic caught my attention because it seemed to me people were totally ignoring the very serious safety issue and I could clearly see some being persuaded that they could still ride safely with unproven mods. Any improvement, is improvement. A combination of small improvements usually lead to bigger improvements. I strongly disagree and made my point known even though I knew it would be unpopular to try to tell anyone their mods were potentially flawed. None were claiming a bulls eye, just improvements. As expected I was challenged but as I said I will not back down when I know I'm right. I work and live with people who KNOW they are right every day, so it’s easy for me to pick out a control freak. If I'm challenged I will respond, if not I'll stop, it's as simple as that. I’ll stop. It just isn’t worth battling people who know they are right. The lack of humility in your responses is uncanny. So if anyone wants me to shut up then simply don't debate me. That’s what control freaks really want. Everyone else to shut up. Just sayin’ I don't wish to get into an uncomfortable discussion with anyone. Lamont and Scotty are two of my most favorite and respected people here so believe me when I tell you it was very painful to have to respectfully disagree with them on this. Despite what you may believe I do in fact care deeply about people's safety. If you truly knew me in person you would discover that I am actually considered to be a really nice guy and the vast majority of people who know me genuinely like me. I'm sorry I can't convey that here but that's because you only see one side of my personality. Perhaps that’s a limitation of the Internet and piping it down a bit goes a long way.

You mocked me in your post so I responded in kind but I genuinely hope you have or will find a full or partial solution to the burning legs problem and I was only half kidding when I said we would all be grateful to you if you did, I know I would be. I believe the first mocking was hurled by you. I posted my results, and you said I must be a genius and what a guy. But my debate was specifically about the serious brake issue and on that I'll give no ground, only a proven solution is acceptable when the potential of serious injury or death is possible. Agreed whole heartedly and until a full blown solution is provided, every little bit helps. Keep in mind BRP claimed they fixed the heat issue on 2013s. Nothing was said about the previous years and nothing has been offered. If I was to apply your solution to my Spyder, then It would still be sitting in my garage with 300 miles on it (when I discovered things got hot….real hot) You are indeed all adults and like I said before, you now do have all the required facts thanks to the debate. So by all means make your own decision.Doesn’t sound like we’re allowed to!
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I'm not an engineer and this field is definately not job related to me but I'll make one comment. If someone is not feeling heat that they used to I would say the modification is working unless that heat was routed to another area where it could cause a problem or concern.
Hurry up BRP !Apparently it’s all in our heads…or butts…or whatever, because the book says it aint so!
 
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Let me say that I have not asked anyone to do anything to their bike...what I have posted is what I have experienced with my bike....and wanted to know if others were having the same problems......the work done on my bike is with and through BRP and the dealer, PitBull.....we have done a flash on the ECM and wrapped the pipes and a new heat shield....I am in the process of measuring the results and will go back to dealer...take the bike apart and look at everything...and from that we should start to have proven results... .what more can BRP and dealer and myself do....someone has to be a test dummy
 
HEY EVERYBODY!!
Pro knows his stuff about this.
Let's cut him some slack for that... :thumbup:
We don't have to agree with his assessment, but he's got the chops to be in this discussion... :2thumbs:

Now for my ccmpletely inexpert, dummy-on-the-street, seat of the pants, real World, OPINION :opps::
If the rider and passenger are feeling less heat from these measures; it'll work until BRP can come up with a better option... (JMHO)
Now... ream me out, and give the guy some breathing room... ;)

We sure don't need this turning into a knife fight in here... :shocked:
Thank you Bob, you are a wise and kind gentleman and I will always consider you a friend.
 
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We all believe we're right when we post our opinions aren't we. Other than complements, greeting, welcomes, etc., I’m pretty slow to post and mostly ask questions. UNLESS, my experience, in this case huge improvement in heat tells me something different than a book. I'm no different, but I am outspoken and may indeed vehemently debate my point more than others when I know I'm right and I will not back down. If that rubs you or anyone else the wrong way then I'm sorry, Spoken like a true and honest control freak……… you'll see I often support people whom I agree with even in debates. Why is that such a challenge? I am fair and honest but I do not suffer fools gladly so you better know your stuff backwards and forwards if you go up against me. No problem, but doubt it'll make a difference.

I have only about 900 posts here unlike the many thousands others have because I pick my topics very carefully and only post when I have something valuable to offer. If I post an opinion and someone disagrees with me I will continue to post until the discussion resolves itself. Or people quite, because they are tired of the ranting. I will not back down when challenged, intimidated, or insulted. I’m far from intimidating and insulting. Like you, I pointed out the truth. Seems you were getting defensive, so I was pointing out why you may be feeling the rejection. Content matters, so does tact. Books matter, so do experiences. That's just the way I am and I make no apologies for that. I'm not asking anyone to like me but if you listen to what I say you may learn something valuable because I have much to offer from a lifetime of experience in high tech engineering.

This topic caught my attention because it seemed to me people were totally ignoring the very serious safety issue and I could clearly see some being persuaded that they could still ride safely with unproven mods. Any improvement, is improvement. A combination of small improvements usually lead to bigger improvements. I strongly disagree and made my point known even though I knew it would be unpopular to try to tell anyone their mods were potentially flawed. None were claiming a bulls eye, just improvements. As expected I was challenged but as I said I will not back down when I know I'm right. I work and live with people who KNOW they are right every day, so it’s easy for me to pick out a control freak. If I'm challenged I will respond, if not I'll stop, it's as simple as that. I’ll stop. It just isn’t worth battling people who know they are right. The lack of humility in your responses is uncanny. So if anyone wants me to shut up then simply don't debate me. That’s what control freaks really want. Everyone else to shut up. Just sayin’ I don't wish to get into an uncomfortable discussion with anyone. Lamont and Scotty are two of my most favorite and respected people here so believe me when I tell you it was very painful to have to respectfully disagree with them on this. Despite what you may believe I do in fact care deeply about people's safety. If you truly knew me in person you would discover that I am actually considered to be a really nice guy and the vast majority of people who know me genuinely like me. I'm sorry I can't convey that here but that's because you only see one side of my personality. Perhaps that’s a limitation of the Internet and piping it down a bit goes a long way.



You mocked me in your post so I responded in kind but I genuinely hope you have or will find a full or partial solution to the burning legs problem and I was only half kidding when I said we would all be grateful to you if you did, I know I would be. I believe the first mocking was hurled by you. I posted my results, and you said I must be a genius and what a guy. But my debate was specifically about the serious brake issue and on that I'll give no ground, only a proven solution is acceptable when the potential of serious injury or death is possible. Agreed whole heartedly and until a full blown solution is provided, every little bit helps. Keep in mind BRP claimed they fixed the heat issue on 2013s. Nothing was said about the previous years and nothing has been offered. If I was to apply your solution to my Spyder, then It would still be sitting in my garage with 300 miles on it (when I discovered things got hot….real hot) You are indeed all adults and like I said before, you now do have all the required facts thanks to the debate. So by all means make your own decision.Doesn’t sound like we’re allowed to!
You, sir, are now way out of line and no longer deserving of a meaningful debate.
 
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Many forums I belong to have the ability for a moderator to lock a thread that gets out of hand. Is that a possibility here?
 
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