Are Dealers 'dumping' New-Old-Stock Spyders instead of selling latest models?

[BazF]

Here in Western Australia, there are 2 Can Am dealerships. Both offer 'new' Spyders for sale.
The 'new' spyders are 'New-Old-Stock' 2022 models, RT and F3. There are no 2023 or 2024 models for sale.
What is going on here?
Baz

 

[Freddy]

Too pricey to sell.

Savage M/C is the big dealer, who's the other?

 

[racoon]

Or just out of stock?

I was at my dealer again today to talk to their parts guy about my CarPlay compensation order.
I had another appointment about 20 minutes drive from the dealer, so I decided it was worth stopping in to talk to the parts guy face-to-face.

After chatting with the parts guy I walked around the showroom again, and they had basically the same Spyders on display as my last visit. They were 2023 models.
I asked about it during my last visit and was told they were out of 2024's and didn't know when they would get more 2024s, but had new 2023s still in the crates, so they were selling them.

I have to say that the 2023 Spyder in the matte black finish looks really good.
The sales guy agreed with me, but said that 10 minutes on the road and they looked horrible from all the dust and dirt.

The sales guy also asked me if I had brought my Spyder in yet so they could hook it up to BUDS to add the CarPlay update.
I told him that I was able to download the CarPlay update to my Spyder while it was connected to my home wifi network, and he was a bit surprised at that.

 

[Mikey]

It may be different over there, but over here BRP makes the dealers take a certain amount of stock to put on their floor whether they want them or not, and they have to pay a fee for having them until they sell them. Now over there, they may have the choice of deciding whether they want the new stock or sell the old! The big question is are they able to get new stock mid-year, because I know with snowmobiles you have to order preseason or risk the chance of not getting what you want. It's the factory's way of building only as many as they need and not have any leftovers out there. Those that I feel bad for are the dealers, I know my friend has to pay for that floor plan fee every month on sleds that the company shoved down his throat, that he told them he could sell. That's one of the reasons you're seeing places shut down!

 

[AndysF3S]

Here in Western Australia, there are 2 Can Am dealerships. Both offer 'new' Spyders for sale.
The 'new' spyders are 'New-Old-Stock' 2022 models, RT and F3. There are no 2023 or 2024 models for sale.
What is going on here?
Baz

It is not unusual for new (old stock) machines being sold a year or two later. I bought my 22 F3S last July so it was a year old, a discount on the MSRP and additional warranty were offered.

You may be able to get additional credit off the price for the accessories etc. I don't know who owns the crated inventory from prior years but it wouldn't surprise me that Can Am would reduce current model production to help reduce that inventory.

 

[BajaRon]

I'd say that if large dealerships still have some old stock sitting around that they weren't too keen on ordering any more 2024's than they had to in order to keep their status with BRP. If the 24's sold well, they could easily run out quickly and with the 25's in the pipeline, why order more? Take the opportunity to liquidate the NOS they still have before the 25's hit.

Most, if not all, dealerships would starve if their only product were Spyder/Ryker sales. These machines are a sideline, at best, for most dealerships. Their real money is elsewhere. And so is their energy.

 

[ARtraveler]

I'd say that if large dealerships still have some old stock sitting around that they weren't too keen on ordering any more 2024's than they had to in order to keep their status with BRP. If the 24's sold well, they could easily run out quickly and with the 25's in the pipeline, why order more? Take the opportunity to liquidate the NOS they still have before the 25's hit.

Most, if not all, dealerships would starve if their only product were Spyder/Ryker sales. These machines are a sideline, at best, for most dealerships. Their real money is elsewhere. And so is their energy.

:agree: x2

 

[ARtraveler]

I am thinking that BRP has loosened some of the rules with its dealers concerning new stock. And of course, there are fewer and fewer deals to be had or found. Think, supply and demand. :bowdown:

To me it sounds like most dealers now use the JIT (Just In Time) system. Order as you go, don't stock things like oil change kits, or tires. They will tell you, it's only two days to get it. NOT. :thumbup:

When the Spyders came out in 2008, the dealer had to buy X number of Spyders, stock X number of parts, and have X number of accessories on hand. When Rykers came out about 10 years later they had a minimum of 10 Rykers to be stock plus extras. My dealer quit carrying the CanAm Spyder line up over that.

 

[Isopedella]

Worell. Similar I guess.

I bought a brand new out of the crate 2009 build GL1800 in 2011 here in Kiwiland.
Price drop of $10,000. I guess they just wanted them gone.
The new 2010 and on had a slightly different saddlebag shape from memory. Otherwise the same bike.

 

[BajaRon]

BRP made our local dealer (and I assume all other dealers) purchase an accessory display package for the Ryker costing something like $35k. Then BRP didn't make the accessories and the display just sat empty. My dealer wasn't very happy with that. You can't blame dealers for dropping the line when the manufacturer treats them like that.

 

[ARtraveler]

BRP made our local dealer (and I assume all other dealers) purchase an accessory display package for the Ryker costing something like $35k. Then BRP didn't make the accessories and the display just sat empty. My dealer wasn't very happy with that. You can't blame dealers for dropping the line when the manufacturer treats them like that.

You got it. Right on the money. :yes:

 

[Deanna777]

I'd say that if large dealerships still have some old stock sitting around that they weren't too keen on ordering any more 2024's than they had to in order to keep their status with BRP. If the 24's sold well, they could easily run out quickly and with the 25's in the pipeline, why order more? Take the opportunity to liquidate the NOS they still have before the 25's hit.

Most, if not all, dealerships would starve if their only product were Spyder/Ryker sales. These machines are a sideline, at best, for most dealerships. Their real money is elsewhere. And so is their energy.

I agree 100 %.

Deanna

 

[BajaRon]

Overall, I think the Spyder is selling well, considering. It has a very loyal and widespread following. And it holds its own against other products and, I think, blows the socks off other 3 wheel bikes, except for maybe the Goldwing conversions. But a conversion brings with it some baggage that the Spyder does not suffer.

Still, we are a fringe bunch of riders. Personally, I like fringe as long as it is a good product. Overall, I think the Spyder fills a niche that desperately needed filling. And filled it quite well. If BRP stays on track, there will be steadily increasing riders joining our great community.

 

[Isopedella]

I think I posted this but here it is again.

Back in Feb we had some Dealership changes in New Zealand.

Seems BRP On Road Directors have decreed every service center in New Zealand is to have one of every model in stock and for sale under BRP's new house rules...

If they didn’t want the stock, they are banned from offering service for all other BRP On-road stuff and won’t be supplied parts when required.

So that leaves about 4 dealer/service centres in the country.
The rest told them to go fish. Dozens of them. They also sell Off Road and the Seadoo things.

So that leaves 1 Authorized dealer/Service Center in the South Island... and 3 in the North. They are days of travel apart.

So, if you need a service or want some recall stuff done, it takes several day’s travel and overnight accommodation - minimum.

It gets worse.
Folk who have recently bought new rides have been told they can no longer take their ride to where they bought it for service, recalls, and stuff.

 

[BazF]

Too pricey to sell.

Savage M/C is the big dealer, who's the other?

SeaDoo Sport and Leisure in Bayswater, where I bought my F3T.

 

[Peteoz]

I'd say that if large dealerships still have some old stock sitting around that they weren't too keen on ordering any more 2024's than they had to in order to keep their status with BRP. If the 24's sold well, they could easily run out quickly and with the 25's in the pipeline, why order more? Take the opportunity to liquidate the NOS they still have before the 25's hit.

Most, if not all, dealerships would starve if their only product were Spyder/Ryker sales. These machines are a sideline, at best, for most dealerships. Their real money is elsewhere. And so is their energy.

Just as an aside, Ron, “Large” Spyder dealerships out here usually have one RT and one F3 on the floor, and perhaps one of each out the back. If someone wants a new one (not a floor model), the dealer opens the crate and assembles it, or orders it from the CanAm warehouse if it is not one of the Spyders they have out the back. You certainly can’t make a living selling just Spyders out here. :spyder:

Pete

 

[Woodenfish]

It’s quite common to find brand new unridden motorcycles and any outdoor power sports from prior years for sale in the dealerships no matter what the brand. It’s the nature of the business as the economy ebbs and flows.

 

[djh3]

Back a couple years now Yamaha changed their touring bike from the tried and true V 4 water cooled all of us liked, to a V twin. Went over like a fart in church. 3 years later they were still selling "new" Transcontinental touring bikes. So they have to get rid of them somehow. If you like the bikes features go with it.

 

[a99miata]

Back a couple years now Yamaha changed their touring bike from the tried and true V 4 water cooled all of us liked, to a V twin. Went over like a fart in church. 3 years later they were still selling "new" Transcontinental touring bikes. So they have to get rid of them somehow. If you like the bikes features go with it.

the Yamaha Trans was an excellent riding bike but slow speed in parking lots was a killer.

 

[BajaRon]

Just as an aside, Ron, “Large” Spyder dealerships out here usually have one RT and one F3 on the floor, and perhaps one of each out the back. If someone wants a new one (not a floor model), the dealer opens the crate and assembles it, or orders it from the CanAm warehouse if it is not one of the Spyders they have out the back. You certainly can’t make a living selling just Spyders out here. :spyder:

Pete

It tends to be a vicious circle in the wrong direction. Poor availability and service options steer buyers to other machines. And the lack of interested buyers keeps the showroom floors sparse. I'm not BRP so I don't know. But why aren't they more accommodating and willing to work with their dealerships with the Spyder? Make it easier to stay in the Spyder business, not harder. It seems like it's almost an adversarial relationship sometimes. Should be a team relationship.

Lighten up and grow the infrastructure to support the machine. Yes, weed out the low performing dealerships based upon customer satisfaction. But if they only sell 2 a year but give good after purchase support. What is the harm in keeping them in the fold. I must say, I don't get it. It's frustrating for everyone.

I really chafe at the current trend of not supporting machines 10 years or older. The Spyder lasts a very long time if it can be maintained. Frankly, I think it's an underhanded campaign the industry is using to push riders into a new vehicle purchase. At the expense of an owner who just needs an otherwise inexpensive part to make their current ride go.