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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN said:
the reason i have to ask it is because some don't realize just because it was legal at one time and we don't realize
how bad or dangerous it is should never be a reason to keep it legal. cigarettes seem to be a perfect example of
this but at least cigarettes will eventually kill the owner.
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how dangerous are vehicles.. check how many people died yesterday driving them.. no one is trying to ban vehicles.. why? aren't dangerous ?
 
I am a New York State approved Sportsman Education instructor, and have taught both firearm and bowhunting classes for 20 years.
I am also an NRA certified home defense, and marksmanship instructor.
The differences between hunting, tracking, and killing?
That's easy:
Tracking and killing are part of hunting.
But they are not ALL of what hunting encompasses.
The AR-15 would definitely NOT be the weapon of choice against a Black Bear...
Try using one on ducks, and you should be thrown in jail! nojoke
I don't watch movies about shooting: they have no basis in fact, and mislead people.
 
I would assume, Bob, black bear would require a larger caliber than the .223 of the AR-15? We don't have bears here, but I got an AR-30 so I'd have a larger caliber for things like deer. In Kansas you must use at least .308 for deer.
 
Orange Spyder Man said:
how dangerous are vehicles.. check how many people died yesterday driving them.. no one is trying to ban vehicles.. why? aren't dangerous ?
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well perhaps if anyone who walked into dmv wasn't given a license or we had retesting after a certain age or we had
much much stricter dwi laws or stricter laws on texting or judges who would actually enforce to the full extent of the
law we could cut down a lot of those fatalities. but just remember outside of a few terrorists NOW deliberately using
a car as a weapon.......
 
DJFaninTN said:
If you are for gun control I'd invite you to spend a weekend in the wonderful city of Chicago. Not just the tourist parts but all parts. Despite having the toughest gun laws in the country Chicago had over 30 people shot last weekend alone. If you think that number is high just wait till the weather warms up.

You do realize that it is illegal to carry a gun in Chicago right? Do you actually think if guns were banned that somehow these people are going to show up and turn in their gun because it is illegal? Who is going to be assigned to going in and finding those guns that were not turned in? Are you for the police kicking in every door until they think they have every gun in Chicago?

Here's a hint .... Criminals don't follow the laws so if you are banned from carrying a gun then guess what? They are still going to carry a gun.

What needs to happen is to get these soft targets (malls, schools, etc) and give them the same type of defense as we give our politicians. Open the mental hospitals back up and start putting those who need the help back inside and quit letting them self medicate on the outside. Lastly quit giving these nut jobs who attempt these type of acts any notoriety whatsoever. No pics, no names ... nothing.
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you are right, i think if they allowed people to carry on their shoulder ar-15's then perhaps we could cut down on
the innocent being killed since assault rifles are the solution not the problem.
 
Bob Denman said:
I am a New York State approved Sportsman Education instructor, and have taught both firearm and bowhunting classes for 20 years.
I am also an NRA certified home defense, and marksmanship instructor.
The differences between hunting, tracking, and killing?
That's easy:
Tracking and killing are part of hunting.
But they are not ALL of what hunting encompasses.
The AR-15 would definitely NOT be the weapon of choice against a Black Bear...
Try using one on ducks, and you should be thrown in jail! nojoke
I don't watch movies about shooting: they have no basis in fact, and mislead people.
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bob understand my point, an ar-15 and all assault rifles are best at killing people not animals but i will admit some people are animals.
 
PrairieSpyder said:
AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. Assault rifles are full-automatic.
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sorry, how do you classify it then?

I did find this:
gun-control advocates say that distinction is arbitrary and that the weapons are just as dangerous because they are designed to kill a large number of people quickly. They often point out that the AR-15 has a high muzzle velocity, which, combined with the small .223 round, produces a violent ricochet through an animal body if it hits bone.

Bolt-action rifles with cartridges loaded in 30.06, a common deer-hunting caliber, fire a round that travels slower with more blunt force, though the muzzle velocity varies for lighter and heavier rounds.
 
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PrairieSpyder said:
I would assume, Bob, black bear would require a larger caliber than the .223 of the AR-15? We don't have bears here, but I got an AR-30 so I'd have a larger caliber for things like deer. In Kansas you must use at least .308 for deer.
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You're exactly right! :clap:
But keep in mind, that an Alaskan Grizzly was once killed by a camp cook; with a single-shot rifle chambered for the .22 short . She put a single round in it's ear, and the lights went out.
The larger and more powerful rounds give you a whole lot more leeway; in your shot placement selection. :thumbup:
 
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Pleasantly Surprised

Have to admit I am surprised how tame this discussion has been. Good points made on both sides. Hey even some of the people that are on my long long ignore list have made points that I agree with. One thing we are witnessing today with these kids speaking out, is the heart felt reactions from people that have been in the presence of evil, with an assault rifle, and they have survived. They have suffered loss and have had their lives changed forever. They witnessed what evil can do when supplied with an effective killing device. So who knows how each of us would react under the same circumstances. It is possible that, if the most passionate of gun lovers on this forum got the call that their 15 year old daughter was just shot in the face with an AR-15, that individual might just be on the bus to Washington with these kids. I wish them well in their quest. I applaud them for speaking out, I hope people in power will listen. What they are doing represents what this country was founded on, the right to speak and be heard. It is very clear that something in this country has got to change, or each of us on this forum will be experiencing the same horror this kids have faced.
 
Since there has been a lot of speeches about "Banning the AR-15": let me add something to consider...

Even if you ban ALL firearms: you have done nothing to get rid of the evil intentions, that drive these acts... nojoke
 
Saluda said:
Someone killed by a drunk driver is not a volunteer. Someone forced to suck in second hand smoke is also not a volunteer.
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I guess I need to use Trump verbage so that my point is understood.

If you continue hanging around the bar where others are smoking you are "volunteering" for lung disease.

If you ride with a drinking driver you are "volunteering" to die when he/she eventually crashes into something.

When you attend elementary school, high school or a country western concert you in no way are "volunteering" to be shot.

See the difference?
 
I am not sure that I mentioned banning anything. I agree that evil is evil whether there are guns or not. I just know that something has got to change before these acts reach all of our home towns. It is a time for everybody to seriously open their minds to making changes. What we need is open dialogue, not the same old tired arguments. This is what I admire about what these kids are doing. They are forcing dialogue. So let's put partisanship behind us and open our minds to what each side has to say, that is how change happens! Please let's make a change, for the sake of our children, and our children's children!
 
SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN said:
the reason i have to ask it is because some don't realize just because it was legal at one time and we don't realize how bad or dangerous it is should never be a reason to keep it legal.
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Opioids are a medical tool just like many other drugs. Used appropriately they are not dangerous. This perfect storm, the opioid "crisis", was caused by multiple events:

1. Over Rxing by doctors.
2. Doctor shopping by patients/drug users.
3. Doctors keeping patients on these drugs too long.
4. Drug addicts finding another cheap high.

Now, as with the gun problem, we are losing a valuable medicine because both perscribers and recipients abuse the drug and instead of the correct solution we simply make them illegal.
 
The father at the White House yesterday, who had just lost his daughter. Said that when he went to the Dept. of Ed. in D.C. there was an armed security guard on the elevator. We have to do something to protect our kids at school. Then put down the damn phones and start interacting with each other again to fix our society.
 
RinconRyder said:
Opioids are a medical tool just like many other drugs.
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Did you know that you've just made the classic mistake?
The "opioid epidemic is not solely about misusing prescription drugs: they've also lumped in heroin, and all of the other Non over-the-counter recreational ones...

And it's been done to try and make it seem as if the abusers are just playing with pills, and not sticking needles in their arms, or snorting lines...
 
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