ar-15

[hillrad]

Certain people exist that shouldn't be allowed within a 100 yds of a loaded weapon. This includes some individuals "trained" and required to carry weapons as part of their occupation (i.e. law enforcement, military, etc., etc.). Like it's said... a firearms primary safety is between the ears.

 

[Mad Mac]

Would you like to wake up at 4:30 am, and hike 7 miles back into the woods (over a mountain: of course!); to sit for hours in sub-freezing temperatures?
And when "Mr. Big" comes into view: try and control the shivering, your breathing, pick out the best spot for a clean shot, raise the rifle to your shoulder, hold it there for... forever... and THEN exercise proper trigger control, pick the right spot on the animal, and make the shot?
That's just the start of the fun!
Now: track it down (If it didn't drop on the spot: they rarely do!), tag it, field-dress it, hook a rope to itm, and start that 7 mile walk home?

I didn't think so... :gaah:

RIGHT ON,BOB!:agree: Mac

 

[UtahPete]

Certain people exist that shouldn't be allowed within a 100 yds of a loaded weapon. This includes some individuals "trained" and required to carry weapons as part of their occupation (i.e. law enforcement, military, etc., etc.). Like it's said... a firearms primary safety is between the ears.

It's obvious there is a lot of interest by reasonable people in looking for meaningful solutions to this problem. Don't let the special interests and extremists control the conversation.

 

[UtahPete]

Ban the guns? Why not! It worked so well for illicit drugs!! :roflblack:

We who want to find a solution are not talking about banning guns, as the NRA would have you believe.

 

[Lew L]

Lew, I understand this argument. What I don't understand is why gun advocates insist on lumping everyone who is in favor of gun registration, background checks, denial of ownership to domestic violence perpetrators, etc all in one bucket labeled 'socialist, liberal left'. I want to see some commonsense gun control, not ban all firearms and don't consider myself the socialist liberal left by any means. I think you're buying into the NRA's very successful effort to demonize anyone who won't be intimidated into silence by the NRA's authoritarian control over this essential national conversation.

Hi Pete,

In reality I believe the "essential national conversation" is controled by the liberal media not the NRA. When was the last time you saw a ranking member of the NRA on national TV or radio------ compared to the huge deluge of "gun control " talk. And yes, "they" en-essence want " gun bans.

I absolute agree that this country needs to make changes. President Trump quickly proposed changes and I hope they come into play. Age limits, better communications and actions by federal and local authorities, ect.

Did you know that the NRA supports firearms safety with many classes and gun lock giveaways. My last firearm purchase came with one.

 

[UtahPete]

Do you remember the "Good Old Days"; when there were Insane Asylums? Then they decided that folks would be better off being "mainstreamed"... What a crock of crap THAT was! :gaah:

I believe the state-administered mental health institutions were shut down over a short-sighted attempt to save money and a misguided attempt to address the civil-rights abuses of the mentally ill that were common back then. That's what the 'Cuckoo's Nest' film was about.

Unfortunately, because of partisan bickering, that system got dismantled rather than getting fixed. Combine that with easy access to guns and voila! Deadly mix.

 

[UtahPete]

Hi Pete,

In reality I believe the "essential national conversation" is controled by the liberal media not the NRA. When was the last time you saw a ranking member of the NRA on national TV or radio------ compared to the huge deluge of "gun control " talk. And yes, "they" en-essence want " gun bans.

I absolute agree that this country needs to make changes. President Trump quickly proposed changes and I hope they come into play. Age limits, better communications and actions by federal and local authorities, ect.

Did you know that the NRA supports firearms safety with many classes and gun lock giveaways. My last firearm purchase came with one.

My issue with the NRA is they are unwilling to accept any restrictions on gun ownership. Any.

 

[Bob Denman]

That's just not true at all...
The NRA is all about responsible firearms ownership. They freely recognize that many people shouldn't own firearms at all.
They want to protect the rights of Law-Abiding owners. nojoke

 

[Lew L]

My issue with the NRA is they are unwilling to accept any restrictions on gun ownership. Any.

Yah, I know. I wish they could publicly see that not all people should be able to legally own a firearm. Just as many states will not issue a CCW to felons, ect. Serious back round checks are the norm for a CCW. In many states an 18 year-old cannot purchase a pistol----- but can purchase a rifle. Makes no sense.

 

[Bob Denman]

That's why they use the phrase "Law-abiding". nojoke

 

[Mad Mac]

There has been good, fairly reasonable, conversations on this subject, and some of the "fixes" are viable. I think some of the fixes were brought up in the 90's and in the early 2000's, but the gov. dropped the ball on these proposals that most of us are talking about right now and it is up to us to make sure our elected officials do the right thing and we keep our Constitution as is and respect what it stands for, we need to have open discussions such as this. Hopefully society will be better off for it. Nothing like a little "brain storming" to get to the bottom of things, no matter how high our blood pressure rises. Mac

 

[Mad Mac]

My issue with the NRA is they are unwilling to accept any restrictions on gun ownership. Any.

It was in 1993 when the NRA tried to pass legislation on stricter background checks for felons and mental defective individuals and if a felon applied to purchase a gun, he was charged with another felony and prosecuted. Mac:banghead:

 

[UtahPete]

Yah, I know. I wish they could publicly see that not all people should be able to legally own a firearm. Just as many states will not issue a CCW to felons, ect. Serious back round checks are the norm for a CCW. In many states an 18 year-old cannot purchase a pistol----- but can purchase a rifle. Makes no sense.

It's the extremists on both sides of the argument who hog the headlines and control the politicians. The VAST majority of Americans are not extremists and just want to see some reasonable limits on gun ownership. I think the police would like to see that, too.

One thing that hasn't been discussed is the impact this uncontrolled access to guns has had on law enforcement. The need for SWAT teams, and the increasing over-reaction of police to domestic situations I think is a direct result of the proliferation of guns in the hands of ordinary citizens. LEO's now have to assume the worst possible scenario when responding to a domestic violence situation because these very distraught people (temporarily deranged and not officially mentally ill) likely are armed and ready to end someone's life.

 

[Saluda]

I guess I need to use Trump verbage so that my point is understood.

If you continue hanging around the bar where others are smoking you are "volunteering" for lung disease.

If you ride with a drinking driver you are "volunteering" to die when he/she eventually crashes into something.

When you attend elementary school, high school or a country western concert you in no way are "volunteering" to be shot.

See the difference?

Thankfully I doubt I will ever see your point. I consider it extreme, not accurate and one sided. I also consider it not subject to fact or opinion other than yours.
I'm now back to one on my ignore list.

 

[UtahPete]

This is the kind of unnecessary and inflammatory rhetoric from the NRA that makes reasonable discussion almost impossible;

http://theweek.com/speedreads/75685...because-crying-white-mothers-are-good-ratings

 

[Lew L]

Hi Pete,

The police here in Reno recently shot and killed a person in a domestic situation----- that came at them with a knife. Sane,law abiding folks do exactly what the police/ sheriff say to do. Compliance has to be the norm in that situation. If the police are raiding a meth lab in the hinter lands of Nevada ( or Utah ) the SWAT team has to go in because the cookers are well armed ( often with guns purchased from other crooks who stole them from law abiding citizens.) A quality gun safe could solve many problems.

 

[BoilerAnimal]

Regarding the AR15 and similar type guns. Would this gun still have the appeal that it has in its present configuration if we were to redesign it to be more like a true hunting rifle. For example, a fixed magazine of five rounds. Elimination of a flash suppressor. 22 inch minimum barrel length. Wood stock instead of light weight plastic.

It will still "shoot bullets". Accurately, too. It will still be well configured for hunting animals or "shooting steel".

Maybe not quite so good for hunting humans.

Regarding the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. That's true. BUT, people with guns kill lots of people.

I don't advocate the banning of all guns. But there is no reason for civilians, many untrained, to have access to guns that are one small step removed from military grade weapons.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Since there has been a lot of speeches about "Banning the AR-15": let me add something to consider...

Even if you ban ALL firearms: you have done nothing to get rid of the evil intentions, that drive these acts... nojoke

can't kill as many as quickly with a gun or knife. you won't stop the killing but you can lower the count.

 

[UtahPete]

Hi Pete,

The police here in Reno recently shot and killed a person in a domestic situation----- that came at them with a knife. Sane,law abiding folks do exactly what the police/ sheriff say to do. Compliance has to be the norm in that situation. If the police are raiding a meth lab in the hinter lands of Nevada ( or Utah ) the SWAT team has to go in because the cookers are well armed ( often with guns purchased from other crooks who stole them from law abiding citizens.) A quality gun safe could solve many problems.

I understand Lew. I just wanted to make the point that LEO would like to see some reduction in the lethality of domestic violence situations. These are ordinary, law-abiding citizens in most cases that are not on the radar for mental health problems and therefore have access to weapons, and now are temporarily in a state of mind where taking another life (including that of the LEO) seems reasonable.

It's a complex problem (the mix of inadequate mental health care and easy access to guns) that has no easy solution. But, we need to be able to talk about it without the extremists on both sides controlling the national conversation on the issue.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Would you like to wake up at 4:30 am, and hike 7 miles back into the woods (over a mountain: of course!); to sit for hours in sub-freezing temperatures?
And when "Mr. Big" comes into view: try and control the shivering, your breathing, pick out the best spot for a clean shot, raise the rifle to your shoulder, hold it there for... forever... and THEN exercise proper trigger control, pick the right spot on the animal, and make the shot?
That's just the start of the fun!
Now: track it down (If it didn't drop on the spot: they rarely do!), tag it, field-dress it, hook a rope to itm, and start that 7 mile walk home?

I didn't think so... :gaah:

so camping is now a sport? then we should now give boyscouts ar-15's and a badge to go with it.