ar-15

[UtahPete]

Hi Pete, The police here in Reno recently shot and killed a person in a domestic situation----- that came at them with a knife. Sane,law abiding folks do exactly what the police/ sheriff say to do. Compliance has to be the norm in that situation. If the police are raiding a meth lab in the hinter lands of Nevada ( or Utah ) the SWAT team has to go in because the cookers are well armed ( often with guns purchased from other crooks who stole them from law abiding citizens.) A quality gun safe could solve many problems.

Lew, gun safes and gun locks are like seat belts; they only work if you use them 100% of the time. Unlike seat belts, their use isn't mandated or enforced in any way.

How about we have a federal law that says irresponsible gun owners will be charged as an accessory to any crime that is committed with a gun they own?

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

I can hear "Chuck Shumer" in the back ground of this conversation. Mac:joke:

chuck is a DICK

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Lew, gun safes and gun locks are like seat belts; they only work if you use them 100% of the time. Unlike seat belts, their use isn't mandated or enforced in any way.

How about we have a federal law that says irresponsible gun owners will be charged as an accessory to any crime that is committed with a gun they own?

we can have gun owners required to have liability insurance so if the gun is used by anyone (their kid, stolen, a crazy
wife) someone will pay just like auto insurance. if you can't afford the insurance then you can't afford the gun.

 

[Bob Denman]

so camping is now a sport? then we should now give boyscouts ar-15's and a badge to go with it.

They DO give them merit badges for camping... and for marksmanship! :thumbup:

 

[johnsimion]

One suggestion I have is to ban sales at so-called "gun shows." Before anybody jumps on my case -- I own guns, I shoot them, and I patronize legitimate gun shops where they obey the law. Nor am I necessarily opposed to ownership of AR-15s.

My complaint is that of all the gun shows I've been to, their primary purpose is obviously not "showing" guns but selling them. There will be a few people who display rare and classic guns, but the vast majority of the floor space as I've observed his has been taken up with displays are about selling new stuff. Last time I went, one seller had about 40 or 50 brand new AR-15 style rifles boxed up on the floor next to his display, ready for sale, and he was far from the only one. Also, some places have "gun shows" just about every month, which only fuels my conclusion that they're not really about "showing" but more about "selling." Maybe the sellers comply with federal gun laws, but even if they do, it HAS to be a lot harder to keep track in that environment. Even if they do comply, these "shows" encourage people to buy guns who might not otherwise buy them. I am not against selling guns. I am only against using "gun shows" to sell them. If I were a gun shop owner, I think I'd want to clamp down on these "shows" as well. Why have an investment in brick-and-mortar and carefully comply with gun laws when others can operate out of "gun shows," avoid costs and possibly evade gun laws?

 

[Bob Denman]

Background checks are done at these shows also...

 

[Lew L]

Lew, gun safes and gun locks are like seat belts; they only work if you use them 100% of the time. Unlike seat belts, their use isn't mandated or enforced in any way.

How about we have a federal law that says irresponsible gun owners will be charged as an accessory to any crime that is committed with a gun they own?

I use my gun safe 100% and the people I personally know who spend that extra $300 to $3,000 do keep ALL their weapons locked up unless they are wearing or using them. But I can't speak for the rest of the folks.

A federal law about irresponsible gun owners is a slippery slope to charging a manufacturer' with murder or manslaughter if a firearm is stolen from me and used in a homicide. Like charging GMC, Ford,or Chrysler for murder if a drunk kills someone with their truck.

Oh, BTW----- Nevada has a seat belt law and a helmet law too. And I don't mind either one.nojoke If the congress passed a law requiring locks or safes I really wouldn't mind----- but how would you enforce it.

 

[SteveLaoyster]

I have to chime in with my 2 cents. My Misses had The View on this morning and they of course were discussing gun control. I said to her that they should have better controls on kitchen utensils because of people getting fat from misuse!:roflblack::roflblack:

JMHO, gun control is only going to fix a small part of the problem. People are the much larger part of the problem.

Repercussions from using a gun to hurt someone could probably be changed so these problem people think twice before doing something.

 

[Bob Denman]

The problem is that folks don't think about the consequences. :banghead:
But :agree:: they should be made tougher!

 

[BoilerAnimal]

In answer to the question of enforcing laws requiring guns to be securely locked up. If your gun is stolen and it wasn’t properly secured you would then be faced with the possibility of charges stemming from the theft due to your lack of exercising your responsibility as a firearm owner.

 

[Lew L]

Just to stir the pot a bit more

The problem is that folks don't think about the consequences. :banghead:
But :agree:: they should be made tougher!

Just to stir the pot a bit more:


How do we all feel about the death penalty??????????

As there are literally thousands " gun laws" on the books now------- how about better enforcement of them.

 

[Mad Mac]

In answer to the question of enforcing laws requiring guns to be securely locked up. If your gun is stolen and it wasn’t properly secured you would then be faced with the possibility of charges stemming from the theft due to your lack of exercising your responsibility as a firearm owner.

Exactly:agree:, we already have LAWS and consequences in place for people to responsibly secure their weapons or if they don't. they pay a price for their negligence, even in my state. I responsibly lock mine up in a safe when not in use. Mac:doorag:

 

[RinconRyder]

how dangerous are vehicles.. check how many people died yesterday driving them.. no one is trying to ban vehicles.. why? aren't dangerous ?

This doesn't even deserve an answer.

 

[RinconRyder]

Doctors have lobbying power. The rest of us don't. Ditto any special interest. We're not going to get commonsense solutions to problems that benefit the population as a whole until we get special interest money out of politics. Bend over and spread wide 'cause it's never going to happen.

Doctors ARE lobbied, just like Congress. I knew ethical drug salesmen for many years (yes, that is what they were called). The companies pay their salesmen to push certain, high profit, drugs and they tend to make claims for the drugs that are not always true. TV advertising also has had a big effect. If a drug is pushed hard in the media patients tend to ask for it when visiting the doctor and if he/she won't prescribe it he can lose that patient.

I am not saying the above happens with opioids but it is a definite fact with other drugs.

I do agree we need to eliminate special interest money from Congress.

 

[RinconRyder]

Where have YOU been hiding? :banghead:
The lame-stream media has been working up a lather about banning the AR...
Lots of interviews accusing the NRA of unspeakable horrors... lots of angry children who want to ban assault weapons (even though they have NO idea what that it!)... lots of emotions... but very few facts!

And what happened in the past has nothing to do with the evils of our time.
(But that's for another thread...)

Dredging up old NRA talking points does not add substance to the conversation.

 

[RinconRyder]

Dear sir,
"I haven't yet heard anyone suggest a total ban on all guns....especially those designed for self protection. So that is a false argument."

I have seen videos of at least 2 recent, high ranking politicians promoting the banning of all fire arms. Soros stays off camera but has poured millions of dollars into firearms confiscations scams. Of course some here would say the videos of clinton and cuomo et al. are fakes---- but they are not.

I am absolutely positive you can find someone, somewhere that advocates a total gun ban but I was referring to the major players in this argument and not the radical left or right players wanting media time. And, if you haven't yet noticed, Clinton (both) are no longer part of the national political effort.


"And one more argument I heard again this morning from a blowhard on a talk show. You claim to need guns so you can protect yourself from our government? You honestly think a dozen gun nuts with AR's could overcome even a local sheriff's office if they meant you harm? If so, you are delusional. "

During World War 11 a well known Japanese general said they would never attack the US main land with a ground force because there was a rifle behind every tree ( not an exact quote). If soon to be concentration camp victims shot ONE German trooper, the Holocaust would not have happened, but that didn't didn't happen because hitler disarmed the populace years before. The socialist politicians know this and try to take our firearms one type at a time. It's the "slippery slope that most folks can't see.

Your 'Japanese general' quote was attributed to Yamamoto but it is false - he never said it. And Hitler's "final solution" happened because the armed forces, the strongest in the world at that time, enforced it and it had the backing of the general civilian population. The same thing would happen again today should an army turn on its civilian population. If you think a bunch of armed civilians can successfully oppose a formal armed force you are sadly mistaken. Look around at the despots in the Middle East and Africa for plenty of examples.

" Very few people it seems have this kind of experience."

I do ( both parents served in the military, me to) and so do many of my friends and acquaintances. Even some of my left leaning friends are well armed and trained.

This country has a Second Amendment for a good reason.

We are not living in the 18th Century nor are we being invaded by a foreign army. The Second Amendment does not give civilians the right to ALL weapons - and should not.



Lew L

OK.----- I'll apologize for my ranting now----- it's snowing and 26*F outside now and I want to ryde my :spyder2:!!!!!

There is nothing wrong with a good argument but it is best to have your facts straight first.

 

[kep-up]

This is the kind of unnecessary and inflammatory rhetoric from the NRA that makes reasonable discussion almost impossible;

http://theweek.com/speedreads/75685...because-crying-white-mothers-are-good-ratings

Did you listen to her entire speech?

Unnecessary and inflammatory? Not to me. I think it's about time someone, anyone, calls out the media for promoting an agenda. Their job is to REPORT the news, not spin it toward their personal beliefs.

I think Dana's speech was well done, not nasty, simply direct. Would only that others be able to do as well as she in making their point, and with facts, rather than innuendo.

 

[RinconRyder]

Well said Pete.

If I may add that many of the murders have been on or recently quit SSRI drugs causing even more mental instability and loss of any reality--- often turning them into murdering psychopaths.

Let the flaming begin---------


Lew L

Before (mis)stating any more opinions disguised as facts let's see some published numbers from reputable organizations that support your theories. I specifically object to the word 'many' in your post as it isn't backed up by reality.

 

[RinconRyder]

Get rid of guns, there will be truck bombs, or drones carrying IEDs.

If I want to find a way to kill or injure a lot of people I could find a way. I don't need a fast-shooting long gun - in fact, that might be the worst choice of all.

But that isn't the point. The point is virtually every mass killing happening in the past decade or two (with two notable exceptions) have been carried out by people with automatic or semi-automatic type weapons. That is the main threat and that has an easy answer and that is what we should be talking about.

 

[UtahPete]

In answer to the question of enforcing laws requiring guns to be securely locked up. If your gun is stolen and it wasn’t properly secured you would then be faced with the possibility of charges stemming from the theft due to your lack of exercising your responsibility as a firearm owner.

Have you seen one instance of the parents of these young murderers being held to account? I haven't.