Anybody used regular gas in the spyder RT? Any performance loss?

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I think Idaho Mountain Spyder kept an extensive log over a long time of his experience with difference fuel grades and posted his conclusions here. Maybe he will chime in.

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...ed-Premium-vs-Regular&highlight=guess+premium

Compression per se does not dictate the need for premium to avoid pre-ignition. Pre-ignition is caused by elements inside the combustion chamber staying so hot they cause the fuel to ignite before the piston is at prescribed position near top dead center. What I figure is the combustion chamber of the Rotax engine is so smoothly crafted there are no sharp features inside the chamber that stay hot enough to cause early combustion.

Regular fuel ignites at a lower temperature than does premium.

 

[Valkrocket]

Based on things written here, I switched to 87 with alcohol (seldom can find without) because I am cheap. No difference that I can feel. No pinging, hesitation, etc. But, I also don't push it. I am an old man and don't do twistys and power slides.hyea:

alcohol or ethanol?

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Ethanol is grain alcohol.

 

[redrazor]

Redrazor - I don't understand your point here.:dontknow: You didn't say anything in favor of "getting more performance or reducing maintenance costs"......just that you will spend money on something you probably don't need, regardless of facts proving otherwise. :dontknow::dontknow: Am I missing something??

I really do think it starts quicker with the high test. No trouble with pre ignition ever. I don't do everything the manual says. But I'll continue to use the high test and keep being happy with the way it runs. Everyone to their own choice, I guess.:cheers:

 

[shardt]

The 1330 is a high compression engine and needs the high octane fuel to run properly. Lower octane fuel will cause detonation and will cause engine damage. What these things cost I am not going to take the chance of damaging the engine. If you run in to any kind of engine issues and they find out that you are running low octane fuel it may void the warranty. Just saying...

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

The 1330 is a high compression engine and needs the high octane fuel to run properly.

Optimally would be a more accurate term than properly. User experience shows that the "good enough" point of engine performance with regular is so close to the optimal point with premium there is no practical difference between them. As has been said several times throughout the years of this forum the high level of engine control enables this to be the case.

Lower octane fuel will cause detonation

Not so. Lower octane does not cause detonation. It simply will detonate more easily at lower temperature and pressure than will premium. If there is no feature such as sharp corners or carbon particles inside the combustion chamber that remain hot enough to ignite the fuel, detonation or pre ignition will not occur.

 

[pegasus1300]

opcorn: Learning lots from this and the 2017 thread that Idaho started in 2017 (post 21). Almost as much fun as an oil or tire thread.

 

[arkyleo]

:shocked: I never put more than 5.2 gallons in to fill my 2014 RTL. Always 91 octane. It is about $.25 more per gallon than the 87 octane. .... only $1.30 more per fill-up. If that tiny little bit of money is a big issue; then keep using the cheap stuff. I think we can all afford the 4 or 5 dollars a month that the good stuff costs.(?!?) "Penny Wise and Pound Foolish" is good advice. Most of you all spend way more than that on Farkels that I could not care less about. Just one man's opinion.(??) opcorn:

I agree with using the higher octane when it's available. On a recent trip across western Ks. into Nebraska, there was only 87 octane available until I got closer to Harlan co, lake where non-ethanol premium was available for the boat guys. I didn't notice any difference in power or mileage as it was usually a "mix" of the remaining 91 with the 87. Don't ever grab the E-85 handle by mistake as I did long ago on a KLR--at a Caseys in Western Ks.

 

[redrazor]

:agree: If you run in to any kind of engine issues and they find out that you are running low octane fuel it may void the warranty. Just saying... :agree:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

:agree: If you run in to any kind of engine issues and they find out that you are running low octane fuel it may void the warranty. Just saying... :agree:

" Just sayin " NOPE - even IF they could or do find it. It won't have any effect on the WARRANTY - - Why because 91 + octane is only RECOMMENDED ..... Not mandatory. ...... Mike :thumbup:

 

[ARtraveler]

Moderator stuff:

Two sides are lining up. Use high test, don't use high test.

Just reminding everyone to keep it friendly. SO FAR IT IS.

No need to make threats as to how the machine will blow up, etc. if you don't use high test. Each side has good reasons. Post them, but don't try to defend them with your life or as if your answer is the only one that counts.

We have all made our points pretty good so far. Your all welcome to do whatever you want. It will only affect you.

Me, I'm a big boy now and no one is going to change what I do. I have not damaged any of the five spyders that have been running my favorite grade. :bowdown:

 

[K80Shooter]

:agree: It's your bike put in it what you want.

 

[akatheprofessor]

I'm a new Spyder owner so I have no practical experience. When the tech at the dealership was going through everything with me on a new to me 2015 RT-Special he said regular gasoline was fine. I didn't even ask. My manual says to use Premium. Thanks for those above who did the math on costs. (I hate math.) I'm thinking I'll run Premium.

Here Ari explains it: https://youtu.be/z_IVvVz4SSg

 

[gkamer]

Where I am, currently gas is $3.79 a gallon for regular and $3.99 a gallon for premium. On a five gallon fill up, that's a difference of about a buck. Not worth going cheap, throw in the good stuff.

 

[ARtraveler]

Although I use regular plus 10% ethanol, thankfully, cost factors have never been a consideration. I explained my rationale above.

Our current pricing is $2.79 for regular and about 40 cents a gallon higher for the premium.

 

[AtomicEd]

The 1330 engine does have a knock sensor. So if you do experience some form of pre-detonation, caused by too low of an octane, the knock sensor should pull timing and reduce overall performance at any given moment. Generally, if you're hard out on a hot day (high intake temperatures), you're more likely to see some performance issues if you burn regular. Cooler days and moderate driving, you may never notice the difference. Many other factors involved in causing pre-detonation other than gas octane, mostly those that affect lambda, like dirty injectors, dirty air filters, cam chain wear, etc.

Bottom line is that each person (and each engine) will experience different results. Results do vary.