Another bone head move by United Airlines...

[ARtraveler]

Sad indeed. Most of the comments are based on speculation. We were not there. A great news bit. Some lawyer will make a killing. And nobody wins. United the company, is stepping up. The flight attendant is probably toast.

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[Holly]

If you wouldn't put a baby up there: it's no place for a puppy either.

You can't deny that any living critter that's scared; ends up needing more oxygen...
Those compartments just don't have enough airflow into them. They're not sealed, but you're looking at a vastly reduced amount of air available to anything that's been put into one. nojoke

Right now we are speculating without facts. That easy could be sorted out with an oxygen meter during the investigation. I'm guessing there would be the same amount of air metered in or out of the bin.

I would defiantly want to do the o2 tests with the bag also. The bag itself could have caused the critter to be scared and it could possibly be responsible for the restricted air. After looking at the video, it looks like a regular bag. The flight attendant said this also. We only can guess until all the facts come out.

I do understand you are a dog lover and your basing part of your distain on feelings. There is nothing wrong with that and I completely understand. I'm wanting to know the medical part of it. :thumbup:

 

[ofdave]

Before you all go crazy, can someone explain the difference between stowing the dog at the feet or in the overhead compartment ????? I don't see the difference ?????


You can't seriously think there was no oxygen in the overhead bin ?????

If I was United, I would demand a autopsy and see if the bag was a dog approved carrier. The bag could have killed the dog because it surly wasn't the lack of oxygen in the overhead bin.
Something doesn't pass the "sniff" test here.

you usually make good points, this time-not so much.
Putting the dog under the seat in front of where the owner of the dog is sitting is the required way to have dogs on a United flight -look it up.
The dog in the bag would not have gotten past TSA if the bag were not approved-you can't just stuff Poopsie in a carry on and stroll through the gate and down the aisle.
How do you know "it surly wasn't the lack of oxygen in the overhead bin"?. You do not know that to be a fact.
The dog died because of ignorance. The flight attendant and the dog's owner both exhibited this.

 

[wyliec]

Right now we are speculating without facts. That easy could be sorted out with an oxygen meter during the investigation. I'm guessing there would be the same amount of air metered in or out of the bin.

I would defiantly want to do the o2 tests with the bag also. The bag itself could have caused the critter to be scared and it could possibly be responsible for the restricted air. After looking at the video, it looks like a regular bag. The flight attendant said this also. We only can guess until all the facts come out.

I do understand you are a dog lover and your basing part of your distain on feelings. There is nothing wrong with that and I completely understand. I'm wanting to know the medical part of it. :thumbup:

This is from a retired airline pilot, after the first sentence:

"In a statement United said: "This was a tragic accident that should never have occurred, as pets should never be placed in the overhead bin. We assume full responsibility for this tragedy and express our deepest condolences."
Retired airline captain Denny Kelly says the pitch-black overhead bin is dangerous for any live animal.
"There is no circulation at all in there," Kelly said. "They're scared, their heart rate goes up and they use more oxygen. And there's not enough oxygen in the first place, that just makes it worse."
The American Kennel Club says a French bulldog's short face can make its breathing less efficient, and the animals stress easily, increasing their need to breathe."


As to what you mentioned about the pet carrier used, it certainly does not look like what we have for our dog. Of course that's just from looking at the picture/video. Ours has mesh for airflow/breathing; it's not all mesh, and is airline approved. I certainly cannot add to anything the retired pilot said.

Why does it matter whether it died from lack of oxygen, or its heart gave out? If it had been left under the seat and died, the flight attendant (which is considered United Airlines when working) would not be at fault. If the bag was not approved for airline travel, the family should have been made to leave. I'm sorry, I still have to question whether I'm talking to Holly or Randy. This is where you come back and say- why does it matter?:doorag:

 

[Holly]

This is from a retired airline pilot, after the first sentence:

"In a statement United said: "This was a tragic accident that should never have occurred, as pets should never be placed in the overhead bin. We assume full responsibility for this tragedy and express our deepest condolences."
Retired airline captain Denny Kelly says the pitch-black overhead bin is dangerous for any live animal.
"There is no circulation at all in there," Kelly said. "They're scared, their heart rate goes up and they use more oxygen. And there's not enough oxygen in the first place, that just makes it worse."
The American Kennel Club says a French bulldog's short face can make its breathing less efficient, and the animals stress easily, increasing their need to breathe."


As to what you mentioned about the pet carrier used, it certainly does not look like what we have for our dog. Of course that's just from looking at the picture/video. Ours has mesh for airflow/breathing; it's not all mesh, and is airline approved. I certainly cannot add to anything the retired pilot said.

Why does it matter whether it died from lack of oxygen, or its heart gave out? If it had been left under the seat and died, the flight attendant (which is considered United Airlines when working) would not be at fault. If the bag was not approved for airline travel, the family should have been made to leave. I'm sorry, I still have to question whether I'm talking to Holly or Randy. This is where you come back and say- why does it matter?:doorag:

I understand the airline is taking full responsibility, but if I were them I would investigate everything and hire a legal team with plenty of experts. Taking responsibility could put out the public firestorm now, but as far as settling legally with the owners would be a different story. It could be the difference of a lot of money.

The pet carrier IMO made the darkness, it looks like a regular soft solid bag.
Dog scared, IMO not airlines fault and that could very well be an excellent legal defense from airline.

Now comes the question of amount of air in the overhead bin....... Only a expert and metered test results would determine the amount of air in the bin. I wouldn't take the opinion of a retired pilot on this. This would be a key factor of who would win the case.


Back in the day when you paid by the carload to go to the drive-in movies or amusement parks we stuffed 5 to 6 people in the trunk of a car (when cars were 15' long). They all had air. IMO similar..........


BTW, wouldn't you like to know...... :roflblack:

 

[Blownzuki]

The dog could have overheated in the bin.We have pugs,and they cannot take any kind of heat.

 

[Bob Denman]

Back in the day when you paid by the carload to go to the drive-in movies or amusement parks we stuffed 5 to 6 people in the trunk of a car (when cars were 15' long). They all had air. IMO similar..........

Sure... for the 10 minutes to get past the gate. This was a three and a half-hour flight.

 

[ofdave]

bottom line.
Placing a dog in an overhead compartment is directly contradictory to United Airlines' policy on pets in the cabin.
The flight attendant should not have required that.
The dog's owner should have refused to comply.

 

[Raprider]

Stupidity all around...

I'm a dog owner myself (whippets) and I just cannot fathom how this grave error in judgement could have happened, both on the part of the stewardess and the owner. I can only imagine the distress this dog must have experienced from the moment the overhead bin door was shut. I simply cannot understand why at any point during the 3+ hour flight NO ONE thought to check on the dog's condition. If I had been sitting nearby, I know I would have.

 

[wyliec]

bottom line.
Placing a dog in an overhead compartment is directly contradictory to United Airlines' policy on pets in the cabin.
The flight attendant should not have required that.
The dog's owner should have refused to comply.

The report I read said the passenger adamantly refused, which was heard by witnesses. In the end the flight attended won out. Is that true? I don't know. United will be changing their policy for pets in April. Each pet owner will now be given a bright colored tag to be displayed on the carrier. I guess we can arm chair this all we want. United is staying in touch with the family of the pet.

On a brighter note, a German Shepherd on Tuesday that had to fly on a different United flight than its owners was accidentally flown to Japan instead of Kansas, and will be united with its owners.

 

[Bob Denman]

But think of the Frequent Flier Miles, that the Shepherd earned... :clap:

 

[Holly]

The report I read said the passenger adamantly refused, which was heard by witnesses. In the end the flight attended won out. Is that true? I don't know. United will be changing their policy for pets in April. Each pet owner will now be given a bright colored tag to be displayed on the carrier. I guess we can arm chair this all we want. United is staying in touch with the family of the pet.

On a brighter note, a German Shepherd on Tuesday that had to fly on a different United flight than its owners was accidentally flown to Japan instead of Kansas, and will be united with its owners.

That's interesting..... The linked report said this.

A passenger on the flight told ABC News that the flight attendant didn't know there was a dog in the bag when she insisted on moving it to the overhead compartment. Upon hearing that there was a dog in the bag after the flight landed the flight attendant "seemed frazzled and shocked," the passenger said. "She said that she did not know there was a dog in the bag, and if so she never would have instructed it to be put in the bin above." ​

Who do we believe ?????:dontknow:



On a brighter note.......How did this German Shepherd survive ?????


If the oxygen runs out on a plane during a 3 hour flight in the US, how can a plane make it all the way to Japan ???? Do they stop and open the doors to refuel the oxygen ????? :joke:

 

[Bob Denman]

On a brighter note.......How did this German Shepherd survive ????? :joke:

With a Stoic Teutonic resolve! :thumbup:

 

[wyliec]

:joke:

That's interesting..... The linked report said this.

A passenger on the flight told ABC News that the flight attendant didn't know there was a dog in the bag when she insisted on moving it to the overhead compartment. Upon hearing that there was a dog in the bag after the flight landed the flight attendant "seemed frazzled and shocked," the passenger said. "She said that she did not know there was a dog in the bag, and if so she never would have instructed it to be put in the bin above." ​

Who do we believe ?????:dontknow:



On a brighter note.......How did this German Shepherd survive ?????


If the oxygen runs out on a plane during a 3 hour flight in the US, how can a plane make it all the way to Japan ???? Do they stop and open the doors to refuel the oxygen ????? :joke:

Check out the last bullet statement here:

https://www.flysas.com/en/travel-info/other/travel-with-animals/animal-in-cargo-hold/


Check out 4th paragraph here:

http://people.com/pets/united-airlines-pet-policy-change-following-dog-death/

Have a good day Holly/Randy, or is it Randy/Holly?:doorag::joke::yikes: I don't do this for just anybody.

 

[Bob Denman]

Several of us have been wondering exactly who is on the other end of the keyboard... :dontknow:

 

[Holly]

Several of us have been wondering exactly who is on the other end of the keyboard... :dontknow:

I know how you guys feel. I've been wondering who Charlie Browns teacher and Mr. Willard (from Home Improvement) is for years. :roflblack:

 

[Bob Denman]

 

[ofdave]

Several of us have been wondering exactly who is on the other end of the keyboard... :dontknow:

maybe it depends on how they identify themselves on a given day

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

I have 2 mini Schnauzers .. love them both.. NO ONE WOULD MAKE ME PUT THEM IN AN OVERHEAD BIN... I would have disembarked the plane ...

just read this on MSN: looks like a criminal probe is launched against United... I sincerely hope they get taken to the cleaners over this.. but.. it surely won't help that poor little puppy that died a horrible death..


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...dog-put-in-overhead-bin/ar-BBKfdYC?ocid=edgsp

 

[Bob Denman]

Let's put a face to this event...



Kokito... Your family will meet you at the Rainbow bridge. R.I.P.