Amsoil 10w-40 metric oil - what do you think?

[johnny canuck]

Just had a conversation with my dealer (in Canada). Took the bike (2017 RTL) in for some minor issues (not motor or tranny). Also took in my own oil for an oil change. Got a phone call from them a little while ago saying they had an issue with the oil. They STATED that if they put in THAT oil my warranty will be VOID if there are any problems with the motor or tranny. Told them that THEY put THAT oil in before and there were NO issues. They then stated that the oil is NOT what they recommend and that any issues (motor/tranny) going forward would NOT be covered.
Has anyone else had this BS problem with the dealer trying to force you to use their branded oil. I will also be contacting AMSOIL.

 

[jbim]

I haven't had my first oil change yet, but I don't think you need to argue with them. Just check your owner's manual for the oil specs. I have a 2018 F3L. The specs say

Use (P/N 293 600 121) or a 5W-40 semi-synthetic or synthetic motorcycle oil meeting the requirements for API service SJ, SL, SM or SN classification and JASO MA2

I found MOTOREX for BMW Boxer. Not cheap but excellent.

So if your Amsoil meets the specs, I don't know why they would argue other than the fact they want to sell you their oil.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Just had a conversation with my dealer (in Canada). Took the bike (2017 RTL) in for some minor issues (not motor or tranny). Also took in my own oil for an oil change. Got a phone call from them a little while ago saying they had an issue with the oil. They STATED that if they put in THAT oil my warranty will be VOID if there are any problems with the motor or tranny. Told them that THEY put THAT oil in before and there were NO issues. They then stated that the oil is NOT what they recommend and that any issues (motor/tranny) going forward would NOT be covered.
Has anyone else had this BS problem with the dealer trying to force you to use their branded oil. I will also be contacting AMSOIL.

I'm not sure whether you have Consumer protections like we have in the US... the "Moss-Magnusson Act" prevents what the STEALER is pulling with you. I feel your pain. Mike :thumbup:

 

[Easy Rider]

I'm not sure whether you have Consumer protections like we have in the US ... the " Moss-Magnusson Act " prevents what the STEALER is pulling with you .........I feel you pain ............Mike :thumbup:

This.
If it IS motorcycle oil that you took them.
Is that what you mean by "metric" oil ??

 

[BajaRon]

Total fabrication. Amsoil 10w/40 MCF Motorcycle Oil meets or exceeds all requirements. It certainly outperforms the recommended BRP lubricants in every test result I have seen. There are Can-Am dealerships that offer Amsoil as an alternative service item.

You need to ask them specifically. In what area the Amsoil fails to meet their requirements.

 

[johnny canuck]

This.
If it IS motorcycle oil that you took them.
Is that what you mean by "metric" oil ??

Yes, it's motorcycle oil.

 

[trikermutha]

http://renosyn.com/will-amsoil-using-synthetic-engine-oil-void-warranty/

It will NOT void your warranty!

 

[JKMSPYDER]

I can’t address what your laws are in Canada but AMSOIL exceeds all of BRP’s specs. I have been using AMSOIL metric in my F3 since the first oil change and have never had a problem with a dealer.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Is that what you mean by "metric" oil ??

Metric is Amsoil's name for the oil to distinguish it from their "V-twin" oil. I think it's a subtle way to say it's for Japanese and European bikes, not American made ones.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

The specs say Use (P/N 293 600 121) or a 5W-40 semi-synthetic or synthetic motorcycle oil meeting the requirements for API service SJ, SL, SM or SN classification and JASO MA2

So if your Amsoil meets the specs, I don't know why they would argue other than the fact they want to sell you their oil.

That's where the rub is. I read on their website some time ago they will not submit their oil to API for the certification testing. They don't want to be hamstrung by the bureaucratic requirements that API imposes, or something of the sort. As you can see the label does not have the API seal on it, nor does the little box say "Meets" the various specs. I believe they rely on their own labs and or independent labs to verify their oil meets those specifications as published by API. There's a difference between 'verify' and 'certify'.

I have absolutely no qualms about using Amsoil, and have no doubts whatever that it meets the specs as noted on the label. If BRP ever tried to deny a warranty claim because I used Amsoil they would have to prove that the oil does not meet the stated specs. If it didn't, Amsoil would have long ago been strung up by the Federal Trade Commission for false advertising.

 

[BajaRon]

Metric is Amsoil's name for the oil to distinguish it from their "V-twin" oil. I think it's a subtle way to say it's for Japanese and European bikes, not American made ones.

Personally. I don't think Amsoil's use of 'Metric' is anything more than marketing. It makes the Metric people feel special while still having products that appear to cater to the Harley, Victory, Indian, etc., crowd.

 

[fatenhappy]

Just had a conversation with my dealer (in Canada). Took the bike (2017 RTL) in for some minor issues (not motor or tranny). Also took in my own oil for an oil change. Got a phone call from them a little while ago saying they had an issue with the oil. They STATED that if they put in THAT oil my warranty will be VOID if there are any problems with the motor or tranny. Told them that THEY put THAT oil in before and there were NO issues. They then stated that the oil is NOT what they recommend and that any issues (motor/tranny) going forward would NOT be covered.
Has anyone else had this BS problem with the dealer trying to force you to use their branded oil. I will also be contacting AMSOIL.

I also wanted to grab a 'better' more suited oil spec for our weather conditions here locally than the standard so I did mountains of research … AMSOIL came out on tops but I could not buy that here in Australia … At that time I was particularly wanting to use an oil that is not specified for extremely cold conditions so the next best for me was Pennzoil Ultra 5W-40 which I did eventually track down and source here locally.

As part of this research I noted this paragraph in Section 4 under Lubrication of the Can Am owners workshop manual for my 2017 F3-T which says in part you are indeed allowed to use alternatives. Those alternatives have to be of a minimum API spec etc … find the same attached and high lighted in red … (quick edit … these are both 1330cc engines and both 2107 … I would be hard pressed to believe there would be a difference in spec … could you?)

 

[Highwayman2013]

 

[fatenhappy]

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Totally agree!

 

[Warlock]

While I have no problem with Amsoil where they can get you is stated a 5w40 rated oil and you are installing a 10w40. They are slick on their wording. I know and you know the difference between the 2 is a hill of beans. But in a law suit they will win based just on the 5w40 vs 10w40.
David

 

[Easy Rider]

Metric is Amsoil's name for the oil to distinguish it from their "V-twin" oil. I think it's a subtle way to say it's for Japanese and European bikes, not American made ones.

Close. It is an IMPROPER descriptive labeling to distinguish the lighter weight oil intended for water cooled bikes from the heavier stuff intended for air cooled engines. All V-twins are NOT air cooled and therefore do NOT need the heavier oil.

Mobil 1 does the same stupid thing.

 

[Easy Rider]

But in a law suit they will win based just on the 5w40 vs 10w40.
David

Pure speculation.
You have absolutely no way of knowing that in advance.

 

[BajaRon]

While I have no problem with Amsoil where they can get you is stated a 5w40 rated oil and you are installing a 10w40. They are slick on their wording. I know and you know the difference between the 2 is a hill of beans. But in a law suit they will win based just on the 5w40 vs 10w40.
David

I understand your point. And I am sure they would bring this up if a situation went to court. But the reality is. It would be impossible to prove that the 5w difference made any difference in protection because it wouldn't. It is interesting that the same V-Twin Rotax engine used in the Aprilia motorcycle recommends a 20w-50 oil.

Originally, before BRP consolidated their oil line to where basically 2 lubricants cover everything from snowmobiles to watercraft, that the recommended viscosity for the Spyder was 10w-40.

If you are leaving your Spyder outside in sub-zero temps overnight, then yes, you may want a 5w-40 or even 0w-40 lubricant. (Though a true synthetic oil like Amsoil will lubricate better at low temps than a comparable weight 'Blended' mineral oil with an additive package, which is the BRP product).

But who among us have Spyders that sit overnight in sub-zero temps? For most, if not all of us, a 10w-40 oil is a better fit. As the extremely low start-up viscosity is not necessary and a narrower span between the low and high numbers makes for a more stable and longer lasting oil.

I am not against using BRP lubricants. What I am opposed to is the purposeful misrepresentation and sometimes customer intimidation over warranty coverage. I understand the dealership wanting to promote and sell their products. But seriously! The truth should suffice. The customer is entitled to the truth. And though this may not always help to sell your product. It does allow a person to make an informed decision about how best to protect their investment.

 

[Chupaca]

Curious...

In all the years, and it has been many, I have never had or seen an engine failure due to motor oil. Nor have I had a warranty denied even with the suspicion that it was caused by the oil. Now clutches on the other hand I have seen quite a few, especially when "Slick 50" and other moly products came out. It would be the dealers claim more than BRP and they do not like you to bring your own product if they sell the same products. Could also just be a poorly informed tech... :dontknow:

 

[KX5062]

Personally. I don't think Amsoil's use of 'Metric' is anything more than marketing. It makes the Metric people feel special while still having products that appear to cater to the Harley, Victory, Indian, etc., crowd.

Actually the major difference is that HD and alike (including the older BMW boxer bikes) have a separate oil for the engine and transmission, and in HD's case a separate oil reservoir for the engine, transmission, and clutch/primary change drive.