Adding BRP Bluetooth Dongle - Questions Answered.

[kinggeek]

Gday Lyonsden, spent a heap of time discussing with the importer and wasnt until I pressed him to look deeper that he finally found the release from SENA which is "supposed" to be the Din style cable/interface/linkage which is plugged into the radio from the SM10. I am still waiting for it to end up in my hand. As far as cost, it is the whole package(SMH10,SM10 and interface cable) that is a fair difference, not just the SM10, allthough I can still have it here in Oz for $180au, if I got it from the US I would have a fairly high freight charge on top. It does help that our $$ is still slightly better than yours, but why would I bother when I can have it landed here and still have all the warranties stand up over here. I am still waiting for the arrival of my order. As soon as I get something concrete in my hand I will update.

Robby :spyder:

Robby

I'm afraid you may be mistaken. The connector in the BRP kit is not the same as the one direct from Sena and is not DIN style. It is a BRP proprietary cable that supplies both audio and power to the Sena SM10. See pics.

 

[Robby]

You are correct

Gday Kinggeek, it does appear through further research due to the rep hear in Oz being slack and not getting the cable as discussed in the country yet, that you are correct and I am wrong. I will have to go back to the rep again and ask why he cannot get the said cable as per BRP kit, as BRP don't actually make the cable, it would be made by SENA for BRP (an assumption, not known fact) happy to be advised differently. Worst case scenario for me is to have to get the kit from the US. Not that bad a thing as most companies are easy to deal with from here. As the Aus$$ is up on yours it may well offset some of the freight costs. Now only need the SM10 and associated cables. Have the SMH10H already. cheers Robby :bowdown:pps:

 

[DRTSB]

Plug

Well I looked at the cable that Sena shows and it looks nothing like the one from BRP for the dongle. The one from BRP hooks up to the radio itself and the one from Sena looks like it plugs in where the ipod does. If it does, where would you plug in your ipod? I have the dongle kit from BRP and I got it from Bert's Mega Mall (site sponsor) for $212 freight included. Is there really that much savings?:dontknow: I wouldn't think so.

To use the Sena SM10 unit with the Spyder you must have the multimedia harness, this will give you the 7 pin connectors that the driver and passenger plugs his/her BRP wired comm system into, the one just below the GPS between the handlbars or the one for the passenger on the left rear of the heated hand grip, the Sena cable plugs into the SM10 with a headphone connector and the 7 pin side plugs into one of these connectors, trouble is the cable is only about 10 inches long so it limits the install to the front connector, you could use an extention cable since it is a standard mini RCA headphone jack, here's a link to one at Walmart, http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-6-3.5mm-Headphone-Extension-Cord/16422804 , hope this helps.

Dave

 

[DRTSB]

Plug

Check the graphic at the SENA site, I think it will explain it better, http://www.senabluetooth.com/downloads/brochures/Brochure_Sena_SM10.pdf

Dave

 

[Knarfoh]

Answer is NO.

What's the scoop with the BRP bluetooth dongle ? Does it work on a 201 RT-S

Easy question and answer. NO. I am assuming you meant 201 A.D. and not B.C.? Regardless, the answer is the same, NO.

Pretty sure the RT-S was not even being produced in 201 A.D. (and definitely wasn't in 201 B.C.)

 

[muleman1]

Sorry if I'm re-hashing the post..

but, I've got the SM10, two SMH10's, and now I have the official Sena Can-Am cable.

I was under the impression that I could pick up audio via my dongle and cable through the i-pod connection in the rear trunk of my RT.

Am I missinformed?:dontknow:

 

[kinggeek]

but, I've got the SM10, two SMH10's, and now I have the official Sena Can-Am cable.

I was under the impression that I could pick up audio via my dongle and cable through the i-pod connection in the rear trunk of my RT.

Am I missinformed?:dontknow:

I think you are misinformed. The Sena cable is for use with the CanAm communication system. The iPod port in the trunk is for audio input not audio output.

 

[kinggeek]

Just installed this. It works, it is a little flaky but I love the functionality it offers.

My previous config:

iPhone 5 -> zumo 660 hardwired to the radio -> Scala g4

Worked great to get GPS and use the phone in the Scala while riding. Audio for music from the GPS sucked and was inconvenient. I like the handlebar control much better.

Love the GPS to iPhone touchscreen interface.

What does not work at all:

iPhone->zumo 660 hardwired to the radio ->Scala g4 and Sm10 hardwired to the radio -> Scala g4

I could get music from the sm10 via the Scala until the GPS sent audio to the scala. This could be a button press, a navigation instruction or a phone call. This would kill the sm10 connection to the Scala 100% of the time.

My current config:
zumo 660 hardwired to the radio
and
Sm10 hardwired to the radio -> Scala g4
and
iPhone 5 -> Scala g4

I get GPS and music via sm10 into the Scala with decent stereo sound and phone functionally direct via Scala relying on iPhone voice dialing.

I lose the GPS phone touchscreen interface but it all works.

External speakers on the Spyder are enabled but when using headset and sm10 at the lowest volume. I do this because sometimes the sm10 stops transmitting to the headset. When it does I just turn up the volume on the Spyder and listen through the speakers.

If using the sm10 with the headset and you mute the volume on the Spyder for too long the sm10 stops transmitting and goes to sleep. To wake it up you have to push he round white button on the sm10. I would recommend mounting the sm10 somewhere you can reach it while riding instead of the recommended position in the frunk.

Hope this helps.

 

[spydajohn]

Hi guys I have had a sena sm10 for about 4 months now and I got the Harley plug with it and it conects to the standard brp plug for helmet communication and I get the lot mp3 radio cb GPS and my phone still cuts volume when answered ,and yes it took a lot of time to work it out but I did get it to work perseverance is the key.a mate that does the i.t.work for McDonald's put me on to his supplier not knowing that they would work as well as they do . When I spoke to the supplier he could not garentea that it would work the cb and radio because the Harley's could only get one or the other .i find it a very good unit water resistant and I put a power outlet at the base of my handlebars so it has permanent power.

 

[coastrider]

My 2013 RT LTD gets delivered tomorrow with the dongle installed. I plan to use it with my Scala G6 sets, if they are compatible. Scala's response to my inquiry was to advise me to encourage BRP to develop a system with them! Not very informative. I'll report my success or failure as soon as I get the chance to try it all out. This all makes me pine for the good old days on my GL1800 when I could plug in and everything worked with the push of a button.

 

[Biggdogg22]

Discount for Berts

I ordered mine from Bert's Mega Mall (site sponsor). With the discount SL gets and free shipping I got it for $212.49. Very good deal I thought and it arrived in just a few days.:yes:

How and where do you find the discount for Bert's. I cannot find it. Thanks

 

[stevedfive]

When you order you just ask for the Spyderlovers discount.

 

[lyonsden]

When you order you just ask for the Spyderlovers discount.

:thumbup:

 

[MtlBen]

My 2013 RT LTD gets delivered tomorrow with the dongle installed. I plan to use it with my Scala G6 sets, if they are compatible. Scala's response to my inquiry was to advise me to encourage BRP to develop a system with them! Not very informative. I'll report my success or failure as soon as I get the chance to try it all out. This all makes me pine for the good old days on my GL1800 when I could plug in and everything worked with the push of a button.

Two weeks ago I installed the SM10 kit sold by BRP in the rear trunk as others did in the forum. Everything works really well. I only wish I could control the audio volume from the handlebars. You can mute it, but no volume control.

My current setup:
Sena SMH10R in the helmet, bluetooth to:
BRP's SM10
Garmin Zumo 350
First gen Samsung Galaxy S.

I will soon get a Sena SMH5 for the passenger.

...Ben...

 

[Highwayman2013]

Talk to Motorcycle Dave he has good prices on Sena products. I bought a pair of Sena headsets with changeable mics from him.

 

[Aussy Joel]

2012 RT Limited Sena Bluetooth Install

Well I finally got this installed on my 2011 RT AC (no CB). After taking the covers off I decided I didn't want it in the frunk. It just didn't make sense to put it there so I put it in the trunk along with the ipod and other electronics I carry. I used the mounting bracket for the ST (it comes with 2, one for the RT and one for the ST) and put it in the middle of the back wall of the trunk. I coiled up the extra cable and stored it behind the right rear speaker where the radio attenna is. I took the right speaker off and it was a short run then from the radio to the trunk. The thing that confused me the most about this install was where to plug it in on the radio. There is a harness plugged into one side of the radio and you pull a little cap off to expose the plug for the dongle to plug into. It is right beside the existing wiring that is already plugged into the radio. It works really well. The radio, ipod, and the Garmin all are bluetoothed to the helmet now. You can go into the radio settings and turn off the external speakers which is what I did. I took some pictures in case anyone was interested. Any questions let me know.

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Good looking install. I have just received my kit from the US - it looks pretty straight forward. Just wondering though if you have any photos showing the method to remove the panels that house the right rear speaker as per your 2nd photo from left. Brand new machine - don't want to stuff it up. Also, noted in the supplied directions that it states "NOTE: Make sure connectors are facing downwards.....". Any thoughts why this would be stated? I have had some experience with mobile communications (Military Helicopters) and we always tended to let gravity help where possible and keep connections as you have them i.e. on top. Best regards

 

[lyonsden]

Good looking install. I have just received my kit from the US - it looks pretty straight forward. Just wondering though if you have any photos showing the method to remove the panels that house the right rear speaker as per your 2nd photo from left. Brand new machine - don't want to stuff it up. Also, noted in the supplied directions that it states "NOTE: Make sure connectors are facing downwards.....". Any thoughts why this would be stated? I have had some experience with mobile communications (Military Helicopters) and we always tended to let gravity help where possible and keep connections as you have them i.e. on top. Best regards

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Been on vacation to the east coast. No I don't have any pictures of removing the panels. You probably have yours installed by now. Hope it went well.

 

[finless]

I think I am really close to figuring out how to hook a non-BRP SM10 to the radio on the Spyder.

This picture gives some great clues! I have analyzed the dongle adapter that plugs into the radio.
If we could get a better picture of the back of the plug that plugs into the radio, I for sure can do this without breaking out my oscope and probing the radio connector around the area shown in the pictures!

Bottom line you could make one cable that plugs into the radio and gives you the SM10 USB plug for power (which actually you could probably pull off elsewhere). And the 3 ring 3.5 MM jack which has Audio Left, Audio Right, and signal ground.

That all this thing has in it!

Problem with this picture is:
1) The wire colors you cannot pick out the color on both ends thus unsure which is brown, green and black.
2) What pins on the connector of the radio side. We can see an approximation but not exactly which pins.

I made this picture as a close guess. I do not recommend someone trust this. When I get my RT-S I am going to probe out the radio plug.

However if someone installing this soon can take better pictures, I could easily show how to make your own.

Of course we also need to see if we can actually find the connector block (I am sure BRP did not make this and can be fund) to the radio or tap onto the pins another way.

The stock SM10 is cheaper by better than 1/2 the price of the BRP unit (I found one for $100). I think many people would benefit by being able to use existing owned SM10's or the better price for a new one! This is not rocket science wiring.

Bob

 

[Aussy Joel]

Dongle installed

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Been on vacation to the east coast. No I don't have any pictures of removing the panels. You probably have yours installed by now. Hope it went well.

Yes - all installed and working - sort of. I have two Sena SMH10 headsets connected but I am having trouble keeping them connected. If I turn off any of the helmets, during a break, when it is switched back on I usually have to go to the SM10 and tell it to reconnect by pressing the Pairing button and most times it takes about 2 or 3 minutes to link the Spyders audio system. I did have another problem with low volume to the headsets, but this appears to have remedied by a software update carried out on the SMH10's.
The install was very simple - your right - I managed to work out how to remove the relevant panels to install in the rear trunk.
Generally pretty happy with the overall system.hyea:
hyea:

 

[kinggeek]

Yes - all installed and working - sort of. I have two Sena SMH10 headsets connected but I am having trouble keeping them connected. If I turn off any of the helmets, during a break, when it is switched back on I usually have to go to the SM10 and tell it to reconnect by pressing the Pairing button and most times it takes about 2 or 3 minutes to link the Spyders audio system. I did have another problem with low volume to the headsets, but this appears to have remedied by a software update carried out on the SMH10's.
The install was very simple - your right - I managed to work out how to remove the relevant panels to install in the rear trunk.
Generally pretty happy with the overall system.hyea:
hyea:

Sounds like you are having the same 'flaky' behavior I have mentioned. Glad to know it happens with Sena headsets and is not just the fact I have Scala G4 headsets.