Bob Denman
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That's just not true...Who's to say that I ever HAD one? :roflblack:
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998cc VS 1330cc engines
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That's just not true...Who's to say that I ever HAD one? :roflblack:
crazycanuck
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good night Irene.
Disclaimer: I am a good rider but I won't be challenging Uncle Bob to prove it.
Disclaimer: I am a good rider but I won't be challenging Uncle Bob to prove it.
Bob Denman
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crazycanuck
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PistonBlown
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The results of my, somewhat unscientific, comparison of an RS 2011 vs an F3 2015/6 (can't remember which)
On a test road circuit I did one lap on my RS to set a benchmark and then six on the F3 to see if I could beat it. The test route was rural roads with a lot bends but a couple of longer straights (so typical of the types of roads I normally ride on).
On my RS I did 9m 12s. Quickest I managed on the F3 was 10m 03s.
The F3 only had the stock Kenda tires which did loose traction a few times on the corners which didn't help - but also shows that I was serious about trying to get a good time.
The F3 sitting position also prevented me moving around as much as I would on the RS. I move around quite a bit when riding the Spyder and like to move into the corner and forward as much as possible to put weight on the front inside wheel to try and stop it lifting. The laid back position of the F3 didn't let me do that and I think that's also part of the reason why the cornering speeds where slower.
The gearing seemed wrong on the F3 for this sort of riding. Have heard since that there is a known issue with the spacing of 2nd gear on the F3's imported to this part of the world.
My RS did have much better tires on it and an upgraded swaybar but otherwise is stock. Obviously I'm more familiar with it but that's why I did only one lap on the RS and six on the F3.
Though there was other factors involved I still found the engine didn't really deliver the power I was expecting/wanted. Certainly that, and the sitting position, put me off buying one.
On a test road circuit I did one lap on my RS to set a benchmark and then six on the F3 to see if I could beat it. The test route was rural roads with a lot bends but a couple of longer straights (so typical of the types of roads I normally ride on).
On my RS I did 9m 12s. Quickest I managed on the F3 was 10m 03s.
The F3 only had the stock Kenda tires which did loose traction a few times on the corners which didn't help - but also shows that I was serious about trying to get a good time.
The F3 sitting position also prevented me moving around as much as I would on the RS. I move around quite a bit when riding the Spyder and like to move into the corner and forward as much as possible to put weight on the front inside wheel to try and stop it lifting. The laid back position of the F3 didn't let me do that and I think that's also part of the reason why the cornering speeds where slower.
The gearing seemed wrong on the F3 for this sort of riding. Have heard since that there is a known issue with the spacing of 2nd gear on the F3's imported to this part of the world.
My RS did have much better tires on it and an upgraded swaybar but otherwise is stock. Obviously I'm more familiar with it but that's why I did only one lap on the RS and six on the F3.
Though there was other factors involved I still found the engine didn't really deliver the power I was expecting/wanted. Certainly that, and the sitting position, put me off buying one.
bmccaffrey
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settled
Their both good in there own right
There's an ass for every seat :thumbup:
Their both good in there own right
There's an ass for every seat :thumbup:
Bob Denman
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Do you think that more time in the F3's saddle would improve your time?
How about the tire and swaybar upgrades; did they make a significant difference? :dontknow:
How about the tire and swaybar upgrades; did they make a significant difference? :dontknow:
Maybe he wasn't sitting low enough in the seat? [emoji85] [emoji87]
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Easy Rider
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I don't think so.
I think it is rather unfortunate that the new engine was coupled with a "tighter ratio" transmission.
That means that you have to rev the engine out farther.....and keep it there......to really realize or feel the additional power.
I think it would have been MUCH better to couple the new power plant to a wider spaced gear box like they already had......and ADD a 6th gear overdrive.
This design change is kind of a sell out to racing designs, which I don't think really have a place in this kind of a machine.
But it's a common problem. I've upped the front pulley on several bikes I've owned.......so that they would "pull harder" up through the gears without rev'ing so high.
crazycanuck
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Bob Denman
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:shocked::hun:
Piston freely admitted that he was more familiar with the RS...
...And that it had some suspension and tire upgrades. nojoke
Asking if these circumstances might have made a worthwhile difference, is pretty far from being a
"1330 propagandist".
It's more like trying to be fair about the entire comparison issue... :2thumbs:
Piston freely admitted that he was more familiar with the RS...
...And that it had some suspension and tire upgrades. nojoke
Asking if these circumstances might have made a worthwhile difference, is pretty far from being a
"1330 propagandist".
It's more like trying to be fair about the entire comparison issue... :2thumbs:
crazycanuck
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please stop with your long explanations:cheers:
If I ever buy another Spyder, it will be a RT Ltd
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Firefly
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Sorry for allowing things to derail. Sometimes the keyboard gets the better of me.
All I can offer is my real world experience. I can't speak on the 1330 RT as I haven't ridden one much, but with over 100,000 miles between an 08 GS, a 12 RT and a 15 F3 I feel I have a pretty good grasp on the differences.
They're all great bikes and I wouldn't shy away from owning any of them. I prefer the F3 platform for its handling and power. Others may prefer something else.. and that's just fine too.
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All I can offer is my real world experience. I can't speak on the 1330 RT as I haven't ridden one much, but with over 100,000 miles between an 08 GS, a 12 RT and a 15 F3 I feel I have a pretty good grasp on the differences.
They're all great bikes and I wouldn't shy away from owning any of them. I prefer the F3 platform for its handling and power. Others may prefer something else.. and that's just fine too.
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Sarge707
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Wow- Exactly! I have had the 09GS for 32,000 miles and the 2012 RT for 17,000 Miles- Both 998 Engines and What I miss in MY F3 sm6 is the WIDE gears of the 998 Engine!
I know they did it for Gas mileage but I much PREFER reving out the 998 twin ?
Give me the 998 Gear ratio in my sm6 F3 and I would be in heaven!!!!~ I don't care about the extra 3-4 miles per gallon????nojoke
PistonBlown
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I don't think so, at least not significantly on the route I was doing as I was definitely pushing the limit on braking ,cornering speed and acceleration with the F3. I had the rear tire loose traction several times and the fronts once as well which suggests it didn't really have much more to give. After the first couple of laps there wasn't much difference in the times.
I do think the sitting position was a significant factor. I'm 6'2" but long limbed with a 36" inside leg. This meant the foot pegs were in their most forward position (in fact the fitting page on Can-am's page doesn't go that far). This really limited how much I could move around for corners etc. The seat shape is also designed to keep you in place, unlike the stock RS one which is curved to encourage movement.
I found it similar to my experiences with snowmobiles. You can normally ride those feet forward or with your feet under you, but feet forward doesn't give you the maneuverability for fast travel through forests etc. I can remember once riding a snowmobile in Finland while recovering from a motorcycle accident and had to ride feet forward as my knee wouldn't bend very far. Just didn't have the stability or ability to turn like normal, must have fallen off a dozen times that day.
Obviously the F3 being a demonstrator had stock swaybar and tires. The handling seemed good generally, the stock F3 swaybar is better than the stock RS one.
The tires were a bigger issue, certainly the loss of traction on some of the corners meant I had to limit my cornering a bit to get a better overall speed. At the time I had a Toyo Proxie T1R on the back of the RS which is a fantastic tire for that sort of work.
Brakes on the F3 were better which meant I could brake a little later, though there wasn't that much difference as all Spyder brakes are very good. Exit speeds for the F3 was slower though and one bit that involved a series of tight bends on a steep uphill section was noticeably slower on the F3.
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