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91 octain fuel

Somebody has to pay for the Gulf oil spill.
I heard a little about this whole pricing deal this morning...
While Libya doesn't provide us with much oil; it does send it to Europe. Now that they're worried about their supply, their competing with us for OUR supplies... :shocked: Jacks the price up for sure!:cus:
 
in europe most contrys have 95 octain - only in italy you can get the shell v-power (100 oct) ...

Chris, I believe measurement of octane rating is done differently in Europe than here in the U.S. I don't know how to do the conversion from one to the other but I have seen it in the past. It may be that your 95 octane is the same as what we rate at 91 ... something like that.
 
Chris, I believe measurement of octane rating is done differently in Europe than here in the U.S. I don't know how to do the conversion from one to the other but I have seen it in the past. It may be that your 95 octane is the same as what we rate at 91 ... something like that.
:agree:
EU ratings are 95/98, which are equivalent to US ratings of 91/93.

EU 95 octane = US 91 octane and EU 98 octane = US 93 octane

RON: Reaserch Octane Number in EU
MON: Motor Octane Number.
AKI: Anti-Knock Index. This is the number that is posted on the gas station in the USA as "Octane"= (RON + MON)/2
 
Just make sure everyone is aware of the difference between the RS and RT. The RT does run a higher compression ratio than that of the GS/RS and that is why BRP recomends higher octain for the RT. The RT is 12.2:1 and the RS is 10.8:1. Octain slows burn rate and is harder to ignite, compression increases burn rate and makes fuel easier to ignite. Lower compression will run better on lower octain and higher compression will run better on higher octain. There are some very complicated mathmatical formulas for all of this. The objet is to get the fuel ignition point at the desired piston location and the burn duration for a desired length of piston stroke. High compression and high outdoor temps mixed with city stop and go traffic is a bad mix for high compressin engines (12.2:1). If your engine pre-detinates you may not really know just how much but trust me your engine does.
Fact, high octain fuel in a low compression engine is a waste of $ and will probably rob HP. What happens is the burn rate slows to a point where the fuel does not all burn through the desired piston range. This is not the desired condition. By the way low is in the 8`s, low 9`s.
Fact, low octain fuel in a high compression engine does not create max efficiency. The higher compression causes fuel to burn faster (faster flash rate) so the fuel will be all used up before the desired piston range has completed leaving a dead zone in the stroke. High comp. at least in my oppinion is about 12.5:1 and above. 10.8:1 is somewhere in the middle so no you probably can not tell one grade from another. If you have an RT as some of you have noticed, you should be able to tell 87 from 93. Right now it is cool so not as big of a deal. This summer when it is hot as @#$% it is a bigger deal.
Just incase some may not know why low octain is so bad for high compression here is a short explanation. All modern engines ignite fuel before the piston reaches full compression or the top of the stroke (TDC) so that the max flash point can occur just as the piston starts its down stroke. If you use fuels that flash to fast you will reach this peak before the piston is at the top of its stroke. This wastes some of the fuels efficiency and literally tries to shove the piston backwards (pre-ignition).

There is way more to this but I made it as simple as I could. Bottom line BRP makes the recomendation for higher octain in the RT for a reason, not just to suck $ out of your pocket. Hope this helps.

PS: I know my spelling is bad but hope it`s not so bad you couldn`t read it.
 
:agree: Stripperking!! That's exactly what I was going to write! :roflblack: Well done sir. :thumbup: I believe everything you just said.:bowdown: It's been decades since I've peeked at my books but just the same, I know what you're talking about is the truth.

SilverFox
 
That is a very helpful description of the Spyder fuel / octane reqmts.
Can you elaborate some on how things are affected by using Ethanol 10% vs pure (non-Ethanol) fuel ?
 
Just make sure everyone is aware of the difference between the RS and RT. The RT does run a higher compression ratio than that of the GS/RS and that is why BRP recomends higher octain for the RT. The RT is 12.2:1 and the RS is 10.8:1. Octain slows burn rate and is harder to ignite, compression increases burn rate and makes fuel easier to ignite. Lower compression will run better on lower octain and higher compression will run better on higher octain. There are some very complicated mathmatical formulas for all of this. The objet is to get the fuel ignition point at the desired piston location and the burn duration for a desired length of piston stroke. High compression and high outdoor temps mixed with city stop and go traffic is a bad mix for high compressin engines (12.2:1). If your engine pre-detinates you may not really know just how much but trust me your engine does.
Fact, high octain fuel in a low compression engine is a waste of $ and will probably rob HP. What happens is the burn rate slows to a point where the fuel does not all burn through the desired piston range. This is not the desired condition. By the way low is in the 8`s, low 9`s.
Fact, low octain fuel in a high compression engine does not create max efficiency. The higher compression causes fuel to burn faster (faster flash rate) so the fuel will be all used up before the desired piston range has completed leaving a dead zone in the stroke. High comp. at least in my oppinion is about 12.5:1 and above. 10.8:1 is somewhere in the middle so no you probably can not tell one grade from another. If you have an RT as some of you have noticed, you should be able to tell 87 from 93. Right now it is cool so not as big of a deal. This summer when it is hot as @#$% it is a bigger deal.
Just incase some may not know why low octain is so bad for high compression here is a short explanation. All modern engines ignite fuel before the piston reaches full compression or the top of the stroke (TDC) so that the max flash point can occur just as the piston starts its down stroke. If you use fuels that flash to fast you will reach this peak before the piston is at the top of its stroke. This wastes some of the fuels efficiency and literally tries to shove the piston backwards (pre-ignition).

There is way more to this but I made it as simple as I could. Bottom line BRP makes the recomendation for higher octain in the RT for a reason, not just to suck $ out of your pocket. Hope this helps.

PS: I know my spelling is bad but hope it`s not so bad you couldn`t read it.


so what ur saying is me putting that square block in the round circle, altho i made it fit, wasn't a good thing...:joke:
 
Today i was at the dealer and noticed a new RSS and the sticker said 91 oct., what has changed between my 08 GS rated for 87 oct. and the new ones, aren't they both 10.8 compression? I occasionally run 91 but can't tell any difference from the 87. About the only place you can get nonethanol in Fl. is at the marinas, and it's about $4.50-$5.50 a Gal.,but the ethanol is a killer for outboard engines that sit for more than a few weeks at a time, such as mine since the spyder came along, especially the carburated motors, and the plastic and rubber parts. They are talking about bumping the ethanol up to 15% here:gaah:
 
:agree:
EU ratings are 95/98, which are equivalent to US ratings of 91/93.

EU 95 octane = US 91 octane and EU 98 octane = US 93 octane

RON: Reaserch Octane Number in EU
MON: Motor Octane Number.
AKI: Anti-Knock Index. This is the number that is posted on the gas station in the USA as "Octane"= (RON + MON)/2

:thumbup: Thanks for the clarification.
 
I think that the ethanol is made from by-products... whatever's left over after they get done making creamed corn for us! :D

:yikes:
If it were just by products that won't be so wrong, But there using whole corn. Before the ethanol nonsense started i was buying whole corn at 6/8 dollars a hundred, Now it's more like 16/18 dollars a hundred.
 
Lets see.... Overall more energy is actually used to provide the same amount of work, it take materials that should used to feed human beings away causing that price to go up as well as adding to the hunger burden globally and it shortens the life of vehicles...meaning more resources and energy will be used to produce more vehicles....round and round each factor compounding the others...compounding...compounding...... on and on
At best its a scheme to make a few rich...who knows but its effect is 180% out from the "claimed " goals:mad:


RAL
 
Lets see.... Overall more energy is actually used to provide the same amount of work, it take materials that should used to feed human beings away causing that price to go up as well as adding to the hunger burden globally and it shortens the life of vehicles...meaning more resources and energy will be used to produce more vehicles....round and round each factor compounding the others...compounding...compounding...... on and on
At best its a scheme to make a few rich...who knows but its effect is 180% out from the "claimed " goals:mad:


RAL
Well said! :agree:
 
Lets see.... Overall more energy is actually used to provide the same amount of work, it take materials that should used to feed human beings away causing that price to go up as well as adding to the hunger burden globally and it shortens the life of vehicles...meaning more resources and energy will be used to produce more vehicles....round and round each factor compounding the others...compounding...compounding...... on and on
At best its a scheme to make a few rich...who knows but its effect is 180% out from the "claimed " goals:mad:


RAL
:agree::agree:Well said
 
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