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5 MOTORCYCLES THAT ARE NOTORIOUSLY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN

"The Can-Am Spyder

Can-Am makes some interesting trikes that will certainly garner you some attention out on the road. We hopped onboard a few of these unique 3-wheeled rides in our 2024 Can-Am Spyder and Ryker Review and relished its ergonomics, but weren't so positive about the weighty price. Unfortunately, while these trikes have a number of compelling features, according to a survey by Consumer Reports, they also have nearly twice the reported problems than other variants of motorcycles.

Many owners have reported VSS (vehicle stability system) errors, which relate to the braking components. A VSS fault could indicate something as benign as a malfunctioning sensor, or could spell disaster, warning of a serious safety issue. While there are methods to clear the fault code, the solution is often an overhaul and recalibration of the sensors by the dealer.

Other reported problems involve the transmission and rear shocks. One Spyder owner reported a maintenance cost of nearly $2,000 over the course of five years. Although that same rider claims, even after parting with his cash due to maintenance, the Can-Am was well worth it."

I still ride pre-2005 BMW’s too. BMW very expensive to have worked on by dealer, and parts crazy expensive
I do most everything myself, but this Spyder with BUDS not so much someday when/if that day comes.
So far, I do own oil changes, @ 3k did all service I could as I have all torque wrenches etc. Installed hand brake, front/back camera, Lithium ion battery, aftermarket shocks all around, and Baja Ultra (anti) Sway Bar. All very good upgrades.
I will be out in Western Washington for winter so will have a dealer check belt tension, plug in bike to computer, and check for software upgrades, and diagnostic check.
 
I stumbled upon this January 17, 2023 offering by Viking Bags entitled; "10 Most Common Can-Am Spyder Problems". I've included the link to this article at the bottom, if interested.

There is a fair amount of bad advice out there in the ethos-sphere. Listen to Ronald Reagan. 'Trust but Verify'. It's your ride. Make sure what you 'Know' is accurate. Sometimes it doesn't matter much. Other times it's crucial.

Some of the information in this article is so bad that I wonder if it was generated by an AI algorithm. Be very careful of AI. It can be very wrong with authority.

Being wrong about the Spyder adds to the negative opinions it’s acquired. The Spyder had many issues in the beginning, and it's taken a long time to turn that around BRP got too much negative press early on and are not getting enough credit for improvement over the years.

Part 1 Their statements, (My statements)

How Reliable are Can-Am Spyders? They are ranked the lowest when it comes to the most reliable motorcycle brands.

(So, does this mean that the Spyder is lowly rated compared to 'The most reliable' rides? Or compared to all motorcycle brands. Confusing statement in my mind.)

#1- Battery and Connections Issues. The Can-Am Spyder’s battery may look simple but often suffers from connection issues.

(The Spyder battery looks simple because it is. It's the same battery used in many motorcycles. The Spyder is very power dependent. Any weakness in battery or connections can cause issues that the average motorcycle would not suffer. Right call, strange wording.)

#2- Sprocket Red Dust Issue.
On older Can-Am Spyder trikes, (Though more common on older Spyders, this can happen with ANY Spyder.) red dust starts to gather on the front sprocket due to rusting and oxidation. Red dust can be an indication of possible mechanical failure. (True) The front sprocket should be changed every 25,000 miles to prevent red dust. (No, this is completely unnecessary and can be counterproductive) This problem arises as the belt moves against the sprocket and a cloud of powdery red dust is generated due to the constant grinding. (Absolutely not true. I'll explain the real and well known cause of 'Red Dust' at the end) If you find red dust coating the front sprocket, it should be changed out as soon as possible. (Also True) The red dust can also be treated using Loctite chemicals used for surface treatments. (Be careful with this one. You can't just spread Loctite on a failing sprocket and expect anything positive. Yes, if you are replacing a sprocket with red dust or reinstalling a sprocket with no red dust, the correct Loctite product is essential) It is best to replace the sprocket every 25,000 miles. (No, don't do this. But I would inspect for red dust every oil change.)

(This Red Dust is not created by the belt/sprocket interface. Instead, it begins with movement between the splined interface of the steel output shaft and the steel sprocket. Even the slightest movement will cause friction which removes very small particles of steel from the sprocket interface. As the steel goes away, movement increases, wear increases, and eventual failure is assured. This powder is then deposited on the inner portion of the sprocket and it radiates outward from the center shaft as the sprocket spins. The iron in this powder then rusts with giving it its classic red color.)

(If it were the belt, as given in this article, this steel powder would never get deposited on the center of the sprocket.)


#3- Squeaking Brakes.
Most Can-Am Spyder models suffer from squeaking brakes that reduce performance and make an irritating noise. (I disagree. Early models used Semi-Metallic friction material. Inexpensive, long lasting, and stops fantastic! But tends to squeal loudly. To get away from this noise problem BRP began using Organic pads. Again, inexpensive, but poor stopping performance and short lived. In 2013 BRP went to a Brembo braking system and Semi-Sintered pad material. More expensive, stops nearly as well as Semi-Metallic, lasts nearly as long, and as quiet as Organic pads. Though you can still get occasional squealing. In short, it's not been a prominent issue since 2013) If you are an aggressive rider, it can be dangerous to ride a Can-Am Spyder with squeaking brakes as they can destroy the rotors. (Not exactly. There are 2 reasons for squealing brakes. Most often it's just brake dust buildup. It is annoying but there is no loss of stopping performance or safety issue. However, if the squealing is being created by worn out friction material and you're metal on metal - pad steel backing plate on steel rotor - This will destroy your rotor in a hurry and because braking performance is reduced, can be considered a safety hazard.)

Squeaking brakes indicate that they need to be replaced immediately with floating, ventilated rotors, and larger brakes. (This is a ludicrous statement and completely unnecessary considering that the most common reason for squealing brakes is harmless. And what are you going to do after all this expensive modification and your brakes squeal again? You can invest in floating, ventilated rotors and larger brakes, of course, and there is nothing wrong with it. People do unnecessary things to their rides all the time. But it can have some negative side effects. A great reduction in the weight of your wallet, for starters. And it would add a lot of unsprung weight to your suspension.) However, if you are not an aggressive rider, try acquiring brake cleaner to help maintain the condition of the brakes. (Regardless of what kind of rider you are. There are several effective and cost wise ways to eliminate brake squeal without replacing components. EBC makes great rotors for the Spyder which increase stopping power, resist warpage better, and are less expensive than OEM. This is a much more rational approach to your braking issues.)

Link to the article.
 
I purchased my 2016RTL in September 2020 with 4,722 miles on it. It now has 56,947. The only dealer performed work to date is a rear tire change to a non OEM tire I purchased elsewhere. Total cost for tire and dealer work was a whooping $305. I am a self proclaimed spreadsheet junkie. Here are my cost/mile expenses to date to perform by the book maintenance and wear items. Only my miles are included.
Brake fluid change -$.0006/Mi.
Oil&filter change -$.0116/Mi
Battery -$.0014 1 battery purchased from REXX battery for $75. Now 3.5 years old.
Rear tires -$.0133 Current Vred has 2000 miles.
Coolant change -$.0014
Head lights -$.0020 I now have LEDs.
Injector cleaner fluid -$.0013
Brake pads -$.0027 2 rear and 1 front set.
Spark Plugs -$.0005 Due for change but may extend service interval.
Front tires -$.0057 Current Vreds at half tread.
Air filter -$.0013 Now have K&N lifetime.
Cam position sensor -$.0015 Known problem on certain model years.
HCM filter -$.0049
Fuel filters -$.0002
Total maintenance costs -$.0486/Mi
Total gas -$.1042/Mi
Wind therapy total -$.1528/Mi Cheap fun in an expensive world!
 
"10 Most Common Can-Am Spyder Problems"

Part 2

#4- Malfunctioning Ignition System/Key. T
he best solution is to reprogram the key function or replace the ignition system, which can be expensive if you do not have a warranty. (Probably not your best first step. This issue can be caused by low, or failing battery or bad battery connections. Check these first. You may want to deactivate the DESS function which is inexpensive and a permanent fix. If it is a rare hardware problem, then their advice may be appropriate)


#5- Belt Vibrations. Belt vibrations can negatively affect the Can-Am Spyder’s performance. (Belt vibration, while annoying, will not affect performance) This happens due to a loose belt drive that causes heavy vibrations while riding. (Not true in the great majority of cases. Typically, a reduction in belt tension will reduce vibration. While in some cases, tightening helps. With a belt as long as the Sypder's, the only way to eliminate vibration is with a vibration dampener) The belt drive also starts to make sounds which may not be possible to adjust if the problem is left unfixed. (Again, not true. Belt noise is usually the result of misalignment and the belt running against a pulley or sprocket flange. Typically, there is no real damage to the belt and alignment will be all that is necessary) The only solutions are to replace the belt or adjust its length using a belt tensioner. (It is quite rare that a belt needs to be replaced. People are getting good service out of belts with holes, slight fraying from misalignment, etc. The belt tensioners are located at the back of each swing arm. You should use an accurate belt tension gauge when making any adjustments to a belt.)

#6- Coolant Leaks. Especially in the Can-Am Spyder F3. (While I can't refute this statement, I find it doubtful that the F3 suffers more from this ailment any more than the RT. Same engine used in both.) Most coolant leaks occur due to cracks in the reservoirs. (Though this does happen, I don’t think failed reservoirs are the primary cause of coolant leaks. I'd guess that at least 9 out of 10 coolant leaks we encounter come from other sources. Many times it's a hose that is not clamped sufficiently) This also occurs due to low-quality and brittle clamps, sealants, and worn-out pipes. (I'll just give this one a flat 'Not True!'. BRP hose clamps, sealants, and hoses are of high quality. I don't think we've ever discovered a 'Worn Out Pipe'. Faulty installation in repair work is more often the culprit.) To fix coolant leaks, replace all the tubes, pipes, reservoirs, and housings. (Sorry, I don't agree at all with this advice. Why stop there? Just replace the entire machine with a new one if you're going to go this route.)

#7- Paddle Gear Shifter Problem. The Can-Am Spyder F3 series comes with a semi-automatic transmission that allows the riders to quickly shift between gears using a thumb-controlled paddle shifter. This feature continuously shifts between gears when pressed several times. However, it does not function properly while riding in the rain or when still wet after being cleaned. The paddle shifter can become stiff and less responsive.

(What?! Where are they coming up with this stuff? I'm not even going to offer a response to this one)

#8-
Broken Joystick. On rainy days, the Can-Am Spyder’s joystick can malfunction. The joystick helps control the LCD while riding. However, a faulty joystick and other handlebar-mounted controls can be frustrating and distracting to operate while riding.

(This one is worse that #7 above! I have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe you can help me out here.)

#9- Loose Mirrors. Most Can-Am Spyders, especially the Can-Am Spyder F3-T models, are fitted with loose side mirrors as they tend to vibrate and fly off while riding at high speeds. To prevent loose side mirrors from constantly vibrating at high speeds, you can buy side mirror locks or replace them with new ones for a better riding experience.

(Boy! The poor F3 is taking a beating with these guys! Both the RT and F3 use the same mirror components. One model is not going to fail more than the other in this respect. However, loose mirrors and having them come off the Spyder at speed are a common problem. But it has many facets. First, the design is less than ideal. Requiring you to smack the mirror in a particular fashion to remove it. Doing this the wrong way can easily damage the fasteners. It is not uncommon for us to discover broken or bent mounting points on a customer's Spyder. Damaged parts are a virtual surety if the mirror is loose.)

(We inform the customer and show them the damage. But I know they suspect that we caused it and are just trying to sell them a magnetic mirror kit. I don't blame them. I'd be suspicious as well. We also carry the replacement factory components which are usually less expensive than the magnet kit depending on how many parts need to be replaced. But if you go that route, you'll eventually end up in the same place again. The long term solution, even if you have a nice tight mirror assembly, is the magnetic attachment system mod. They are the Cats Meow!)

#10- Fuel Tank Cap Problem. The most common Can-Am Spyder problem is its fuel tank cap not closing properly. You can replace the stock fuel tank cap with a suitable aftermarket fuel tank cap that closes more easily.

(I don't know about a reliable aftermarket gas cap. Nor do I think the gas cap itself is that large an issue here. I would be more inclined to complain about being able to fill the gas tank easily.)
 
I'm handy enough to do all the maintenance tasks that many riders bring to shops. That said, every bike I've owned (Brit, Ital, Jpn) was reliable and never left me stranded. None ever saw the dealer after sale. The Spyder has been just as reliable so I don't buy "Influencers" opinions.
 
Pretty much agree with bikerbillone even tho he is much older than I am. (three yrs ) Don't do much more long trips but still nice to get out and about when that urge hits to feel the breeze. The spyder is very patient but it is making subtle hints about an oil change.
 
I stumbled upon this January 17, 2023 offering by Viking Bags entitled; "10 Most Common Can-Am Spyder Problems". I've included the link to this article at the bottom, if interested.

There is a fair amount of bad advice out there in the ethos-sphere. Listen to Ronald Reagan. 'Trust but Verify'. It's your ride. Make sure what you 'Know' is accurate. Sometimes it doesn't matter much. Other times it's crucial.

Some of the information in this article is so bad that I wonder if it was generated by an AI algorithm. Be very careful of AI. It can be very wrong with authority.

Being wrong about the Spyder adds to the negative opinions it’s acquired. The Spyder had many issues in the beginning, and it's taken a long time to turn that around BRP got too much negative press early on and are not getting enough credit for improvement over the years.

Part 1 Their statements, (My statements)

How Reliable are Can-Am Spyders? They are ranked the lowest when it comes to the most reliable motorcycle brands.

(So, does this mean that the Spyder is lowly rated compared to 'The most reliable' rides? Or compared to all motorcycle brands. Confusing statement in my mind.)

#1- Battery and Connections Issues. The Can-Am Spyder’s battery may look simple but often suffers from connection issues.

(The Spyder battery looks simple because it is. It's the same battery used in many motorcycles. The Spyder is very power dependent. Any weakness in battery or connections can cause issues that the average motorcycle would not suffer. Right call, strange wording.)

#2- Sprocket Red Dust Issue.
On older Can-Am Spyder trikes, (Though more common on older Spyders, this can happen with ANY Spyder.) red dust starts to gather on the front sprocket due to rusting and oxidation. Red dust can be an indication of possible mechanical failure. (True) The front sprocket should be changed every 25,000 miles to prevent red dust. (No, this is completely unnecessary and can be counterproductive) This problem arises as the belt moves against the sprocket and a cloud of powdery red dust is generated due to the constant grinding. (Absolutely not true. I'll explain the real and well known cause of 'Red Dust' at the end) If you find red dust coating the front sprocket, it should be changed out as soon as possible. (Also True) The red dust can also be treated using Loctite chemicals used for surface treatments. (Be careful with this one. You can't just spread Loctite on a failing sprocket and expect anything positive. Yes, if you are replacing a sprocket with red dust or reinstalling a sprocket with no red dust, the correct Loctite product is essential) It is best to replace the sprocket every 25,000 miles. (No, don't do this. But I would inspect for red dust every oil change.)

(This Red Dust is not created by the belt/sprocket interface. Instead, it begins with movement between the splined interface of the steel output shaft and the steel sprocket. Even the slightest movement will cause friction which removes very small particles of steel from the sprocket interface. As the steel goes away, movement increases, wear increases, and eventual failure is assured. This powder is then deposited on the inner portion of the sprocket and it radiates outward from the center shaft as the sprocket spins. The iron in this powder then rusts with giving it its classic red color.)

(If it were the belt, as given in this article, this steel powder would never get deposited on the center of the sprocket.)


#3- Squeaking Brakes.
Most Can-Am Spyder models suffer from squeaking brakes that reduce performance and make an irritating noise. (I disagree. Early models used Semi-Metallic friction material. Inexpensive, long lasting, and stops fantastic! But tends to squeal loudly. To get away from this noise problem BRP began using Organic pads. Again, inexpensive, but poor stopping performance and short lived. In 2013 BRP went to a Brembo braking system and Semi-Sintered pad material. More expensive, stops nearly as well as Semi-Metallic, lasts nearly as long, and as quiet as Organic pads. Though you can still get occasional squealing. In short, it's not been a prominent issue since 2013) If you are an aggressive rider, it can be dangerous to ride a Can-Am Spyder with squeaking brakes as they can destroy the rotors. (Not exactly. There are 2 reasons for squealing brakes. Most often it's just brake dust buildup. It is annoying but there is no loss of stopping performance or safety issue. However, if the squealing is being created by worn out friction material and you're metal on metal - pad steel backing plate on steel rotor - This will destroy your rotor in a hurry and because braking performance is reduced, can be considered a safety hazard.)

Squeaking brakes indicate that they need to be replaced immediately with floating, ventilated rotors, and larger brakes. (This is a ludicrous statement and completely unnecessary considering that the most common reason for squealing brakes is harmless. And what are you going to do after all this expensive modification and your brakes squeal again? You can invest in floating, ventilated rotors and larger brakes, of course, and there is nothing wrong with it. People do unnecessary things to their rides all the time. But it can have some negative side effects. A great reduction in the weight of your wallet, for starters. And it would add a lot of unsprung weight to your suspension.) However, if you are not an aggressive rider, try acquiring brake cleaner to help maintain the condition of the brakes. (Regardless of what kind of rider you are. There are several effective and cost wise ways to eliminate brake squeal without replacing components. EBC makes great rotors for the Spyder which increase stopping power, resist warpage better, and are less expensive than OEM. This is a much more rational approach to your braking issues.)
I like your reply better Ron. Including part 2
Link to the article.
 
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