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300 miles in temps over 105 with low humidity ... dangerous

Are you saying that the increase in average temperature between 1895 and 2026 was 4 degrees F?

And that somehow that's a huge difference?

And please provide links to the data you're using to claim that average temperatures have increased significantly over whatever period of time you choose.
One thing that they don't account for is that back in 1895, temperature sensors were installed near cities in relatively undeveloped areas. Over the years, cities expanded, replacing trees and grass with concrete and asphalt. Average temperatures rose, but they were no longer representative of the overall climate.

Sometimes the details are more important than the raw data.

A few things that I remind people of are that we used to have alligators here in Tennessee. The fossil record shows us this with no dispute. Yet we don't have them now. Why? It's too cold. Meaning that it was much warmer here in Tennessee in the past.

They discovered some very old mines in Europe in the last few years because areas that had been snowed in year around thawed out. What they found was miner's tools stacked neatly near the entrance. The miners would leave when the snow started to build up and return when it melted giving them access to the mouth of the mine again in the warmer months. But it got colder. The snow didn’t melt and the miners never returned. Over the years, the mines were forgotten.

All of this before the industrial age which has been blamed for the current changes in climate. We know that it has been both warmer and colder than it is now, worldwide. I just wish they would tell the whole story and let us reason things out instead of telling us what to think.
 
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One thing that they don't account for is that back in 1895, temperature sensors were installed near cities in relatively undeveloped areas. Over the years, cities expanded, replacing trees and grass with concrete and asphalt. Average temperatures rose, but they were no longer representative of the overall climate.

Sometimes the details are more important than the raw data.

A few things that I remind people of are that we used to have alligators here in Tennessee. The fossil record shows us this with no dispute. Yet we don't have them now. Why? It's too cold. Meaning that it was much warmer here in Tennessee in the past.

They discovered some very old mines in Europe in the last few years because areas that had been snowed in year around thawed out. What they found was miner's tools stacked neatly near the entrance. The miners would leave when the snow started to build up and return when it melted giving them access to the mouth of the mine again in the warmer months. But it got colder. The snow didn’t melt and the miners never returned. Over the years, the mines were forgotten.

All of this before the industrial age which has been blamed for the current changes in climate. We know that it has been both warmer and colder than it is now, worldwide. I just wish they would tell the whole story and let us reason things out instead of telling us what to think.
But we did not live in those times~~~. We have to live, work, play, etc with what we have now. Talking about other times does not help with what the globe is now facing with people trying to live on a very large amount of it.
 
But we did not live in those times~~~. We have to live, work, play, etc with what we have now. Talking about other times does not help with what the globe is now facing with people trying to live on a very large amount of it.
Thanks. Much appreciate your help getting this discussion back on track.
 
Are you saying that the increase in average temperature between 1895 and 2026 was 4 degrees F?

And that somehow that's a huge difference?

And please provide links to the data you're using to claim that average temperatures have increased significantly over whatever period of time you choose.
I got it from playing around with 12 month average temperatures going back to 1895 with the NOAA calculator and plotting the data. You can set US wide and whether you are looking at a particular month or a prior 12 month period. It will plot the data for you. Other agencies all over the globe record changes too, some significantly greater such as North Africa and Western Europe, some less significant. The common factor though are the changes tend to higher temperature changes, seasonal drift, rain fall changes and so on. Similar tools provided by the European Environment Agency (EEA), the UK Met Office, the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S)/European Center for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) and other noted organizations across the globe actually show very similar results which is good to know the data is fairly accurate and validated.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/mo...e/national/time-series/110/tavg/1/8/2020-2026

4F might not seem like a lot, but it doesn't take average temperatures to vary by that many degrees to make it possible or impossible to grow certain crops in certain regions. The extra energy in the atmosphere actually becomes significant. It can also affect rainfall patterns and jet stream movement. It affects and is affected by ocean temperatures too, so for places that rely on the gulf stream may experience climate changes and not necessarily warming. Of course it has a measurable affect on Glaciers well as Arctic and Antarctic ice packs. We have adapted in some ways to these changes by developing changes in the genetic makeup of our crops to make them more temperature increase and drought resistant. Without these changes many of our crop yields would have been much lower.

If you look at the year of 1816, the "Year Without a Summer" after the Mount Tambora eruption of 1815 which spilled huge quantities of ash into the atmosphere, the annual average temperature of the US fell about 2F to 4F, yet most of that growing season's harvest's failed. Global famines were recorded for the two or three years following 1816. That all from a mere 4F lowering of average annual temperatures.

Changes of 4F average over a large continent like the US will have knock on effects in northern hemisphere changes. Note, this is changes. Not everywhere will experience warmer climates, some regions of the globe might experience lowered temperatures. It's change that is the significant word here.

Oh, b*gger, I'm way of topic here. DM me if you want more? Sorry everyone...

Now, are these changes man-made or part of the normal earth's natural climate changes over geological timescales? I don't want to debate that because everyone probably has their opinions and I for one don't have a scientific answer, I'm not a climatologist. We have similar data for CO2 concentrations, ocean temperatures and levels, sea water salinity and pH, and even solar activity. In countries like the UK and the EU we have accurate data going back 400 years or more to the time of Sir Isaac Newton and the Royal Society. The data is there and historically accurate as it is easy to measure. The science as to why is a whole different matter.

All we can say is that the measured temperate averages for the US as a whole has increased in average annual temperature by about 4F since 1895. Utah has seen a higher change of over 6F. These numbers rise and fall in the short term, i.e. year to year, but over the past 125 years we have seen a gradual increase in temperature that is slowly increasing in the rate of change, i.e. the average increase is not a straight line but is a shallow curve upwards over 125 years. The rate of change is greater now than it has ever been if we smooth the line.

So, that's the raw data. Like I say, the explanations behind it are for the climatologists, the chemists, weather scientists and the sophisticated computer modellers to figure out. I have a PhD with a background in computer modelling but I would even begin to know how to model climate changes.
 
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