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2016 F3T ACS (Suspension) won't hold air! Safe to ride? Fixes?

DoctorJ999

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Well, pretty sure I've blown the ACS (won't hold air). Have a call into dealer, but in the meantime, do any of you tech wizards know:

1) how difficult it for it to be replaced i.e. is it a leave it at the dealer (for days) OR quick enough to sit and wait for it; AND
2) assuming it's safe in the meantime to ride 2-up without hurting anything else in the rear suspension or rear tire??

Thanks in advance
JPJ
 
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Well, pretty sure I've blown the ACS (won't hold air). Have a call into the dealer, but in the meantime, do any of you tech wizards know:

1) how difficult it is for it to be replaced i.e. is it a leave it at the dealer (for days) OR quick enough to sit and wait for it; AND
2) assuming it's safe in the meantime to ride 2-up without hurting anything else in the rear suspension or rear tire??

Thanks in advance
JPJ

I doubt very much that the answer to 1) will be 'sit and wait for it', simply because they will likely need to remove ALL of the RH Side pannier assembly & tupperware, and quite possibly, the rear tire too!! So at best, by the time they've taken off everything that needs to come off; replaced all the old stuff & tested all the new stuff; and then put all the tupperware & wheel etc back on; that's gonna have taken ALL DAY!!

Remember, I wrote 'AT BEST', meaning that might happen IF it's all done by a skilled and competent tech who knows how to do the job; IF said tech has a good work ethic; IF said tech has done it before; and IF said tech has all the correct and necessary replacement parts on hand; AND even then, IF all of those new parts work as intended!! That's a lotta 'IF's' that need to miraculously occur all at the same time, and you also need to remember that you're talking about taking it to a BRP Dealer, so you should know that there's very few of those ^ techs to be found anywhere; let alone finding any dealers who can manage to get all the bits in before actually starting the job; AND it's BRP parts you're talking about, meaning that the chances of all the new bits working as they should the first time round are pretty slim!! So you'd better resign yourself to leaving your Spyder with the dealer for some time! :banghead: I'd dearly love to be shown to be wrong on any of that, but I wouldn't risk any money on that happening! :rolleyes:

As for 2), that sorta depends on how much load you put on your Spyder; and also possibly on what size rear tire you're running ... :dontknow: The rear shock/coil assembly is simply NOT capable of carrying anything much more than a light load and just a (not too big :p) rider without assistance from the air bag to maintain sufficient ride height, as it was designed/intended to do!! That inability to carry the load without assistance from the air bag is made more likely if you're a bit on the bigger/heavier side than the average smaller/lightweight rider; if you generally ride 2-up/with a pillion &/or fully loaded; or if you're running a larger rolling diameter tire like so many of us do - the larger the rolling diameter of your tire, the more likely you are to find the underside of the wheel arch hitting on the top of the wheel during use!

Good Luck! :cheers:

Ps: are you sure it's not just the Height Sensor arm is disconnected, or maybe the bracket the sensor is on has been bent so that the sensor is reading the height to be much higher than it should be?? That's all happened before, and for the latter, the opposite of 'too high' too - regardless of which way it's reading, up or down, going to the extremity either way really doesn't make for a comfortable ride! :lecturef_smilie:
 
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Are you sure it's blown? I ask that because you ask if it's ok to ride 2up and do no more damage! I know when my compressor bit the dust, I was in the middle of a ride and there was no dough I wanted off of that thing by the time I got home. What makes you think it's gone?
 
Thanks all. It won't hold air at all, fill it up and within seconds it's gone. Rear tire is original make/size. I'm a moderately sized old man at 5'10" 195#. I will plan for a LONG time in the shop... tx so much for the help.
 
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It is possible it is just the check valve in the compressor system. After the third failure on my '13 RTL I bypassed the original system and just ran a straight airline from the schrader valve to the top of the bag, never leaked down again. I suspect you could do the same, but definitely don't ride it two up.
 
There's a myriad of reasons your shock system and airbag bit the dust. Mine went out shortly after purchase and it went back in for warranty repair. Shortly after that, it went out for the second time. The same dealer (ownership) and new service manager refused any further repair. I contacted BRP directly and got the proverbial runaround. "Go back to your dealership". I did and again the service manager refused any further warranty work. I went for the dealership owner and couldn't get any higher up than the assistant manager who referred me back to the service department. I found an independent service tech who told me the compressor was toast but said I could fill the bladder through the Schrader valve. It's working ok that way now, but I still haven't found that little snot-nosed service manager in a dark alley. But, who knows?
 
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Thanks all. It won't hold air at all, fill it up and within seconds it's gone. Rear tire is original make/size. I'm a moderately sized old man at 5'10" 195#. I will plan for a LONG time in the shop... tx so much for the help.

Doc, if it was mine, I would swap it over to a manual fill and be done with it. A lot of us have done it and it works fine. Good luck!!
 
I was wondering, does a F3T have a compressor? I thought only the F3Ltd had a compressor. F3T I thought you put air in via Shrader valve. If that is the case then, possible airline leak or bad air bladder. Bruce
 
I was wondering, does a F3T have a compressor? I thought only the F3Ltd had a compressor. F3T I thought you put air in via Shrader valve. If that is the case then, possible airline leak or bad air bladder. Bruce

Just looked it up and you are very right!!! Good catch!! That is a horse of a different color, I would get a friend to help, have him slowly pump air into the bag and take a bottle of soapy water and see where that leak is, If it's the air line or fittings you can get them at most auto parts stores that handle air brake parts, if it's the bag then you may have to do some research, or go BRP! Good save Bruce!!
 
Guys, There is NO COMPRESSOR in a 2016 F3-T (or 2016 F3-Limited for that matter). They are both manual. So it is either a shraeder valve or bag leak.

Pete
 
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Thank you that's what I said, post 10!:coffee:

Yes, I know that, Mikey, but it was also mentioned in an earlier post that only the F3-L models had a compressor. I was simply clarifying that not ALL F3-Limited models had a compressor, so that some poor schmuck with a '16 F3-L doesn’t spend hours looking for their compressor ;) :thumbup:

Pete
 
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I had a leak in the bag on my 2016 F3T. It would only hold air for about an hour at best. This happened while on a week long trip to the NC mountains. I had stock size tires on the bike and the biggest difference that I saw was a very hard ride whenever hitting a bump. This was with my wife (150 pounds), myself (250 pounds), and bike full of luggage, as well as a Doc Humphries rack full of gear. I was glad to get home and have it fixed, but we made it the 1500 or so miles that we rode that week. Here is a picture of how the bike was loaded for this trip.
 

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Sorry I wasn't clear, but I don't have the compressor system, only the valve. Pretty sure it's the bag itself that's blown... no soapy water bubbles and by the time I get the inflator off and rechecked, it'd lost 20#, and within seconds more, it's down to zero. I also just got the Fanttik X9 Pro inflator, and it has a digital display of the PSI, and it too goes to zero fast. It's due in the shop (Johnny K's Powersports in Lodi OH) in 3 weeks. I REALLY appreciate all the feedback.
 
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Well, label me stupid! I did the soapy water leak test twice - the first time was with the inflator on, thinking the act of filling it would produce more of a leak; second try, filled it and removed the inflator as quickly as possible, as it was now soapy slippery - only to find lots of bubbles coming out the valve top! I noticed the stem was loose, tightened it snug... yayyyyyy no more leak and I remain embarrassed, but grateful for all your advice and not needing a prolonged/expensive shop visit. :gaah:
 
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