2015 RS, RSS, ST Spyder

[DrewNJ]

:agree: And the RS added the 100 Pounds to the frame compared to the 08-12 models, and the ST and RS BOTH had some heat problems that may also have been to the Frame moving to prepare for a larger engine- Like the RT received ? opcorn:

Is the frame really that much heavier??!! Wow!

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[BajaRon]

:agree: And the RS added the 100 Pounds to the frame compared to the 08-12 models, and the ST and RS BOTH had some heat problems that may also have been to the Frame moving to prepare for a larger engine- Like the RT received ? opcorn:

'Who knows what lurks in the hearts of men?' (Semi-accurate quote)

 

[den1953]

Weight Gain, Frame and Engine

I'm sure it's both the frame and the ACE engine that adds the 100# total, not just the frame alone. Anyhow the ST is most likely to be the next Spyder to get the ACE treatment. The sport models will continue with the original v-twin until something new replaces it.

 

[BajaRon]

I'm sure it's both the frame and the ACE engine that adds the 100# total, not just the frame alone. Anyhow the ST is most likely to be the next Spyder to get the ACE treatment. The sport models will continue with the original v-twin until something new replaces it.

Or, until they use up the 998's left on the shelf....

 

[Fat Crip]

Surely the obvious thing would be to give the 998 back the 137ponies it has in Aprilla bikes and then lose a few pounds!

 

[SNOOPY]

Surely the obvious thing would be to give the 998 back the 137ponies it has in Aprilla bikes and then lose a few pounds!

I see people mention our motors in Aprilla bikes, but when I Google Aprilla bikes I don't see where any 998cc motors are used in them?

Was this in a former model?

 

[DrewNJ]

Look for v990. Its the same vtwin. It was in the RSV, tuono, futura, falco. Some are even dual sparkplug heads and many different tuning configurations. It was later replaced by a similar v4 in the rsv4.

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[DrewNJ]

Here's a good read: http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?220502-Do-these-bikes-use-a-Rotax-V990
I made a mistake, the later v990's went up to 146hp

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[DrewNJ]

There is also a v449 which was half a v990 vtwin in the atv's
Lots of part interchangeability …

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[SNOOPY]

Cool, thanks

 

[SNOOPY]

So am I right in thinking that BRP produces the Rotax engines, but doesn't just use them in their vehicles they sell them to other manufacturers as well?


What I mean is that Aprilla isn't associated w/ BRP right?

 

[SpyderRx]

They've still got RED available now... :thumbup:

I do not believe the 2013 or 2014 ST has been offered in red at any trim level.

 

[SpyderRx]

Does the small sample size of votes in this pole just show moreover the popularity of the RT or is it that our RS and ST guys and gals just aren't voting?

 

[SNOOPY]

I'm guessing not as many RS and ST owners on here, soon it will be 95% Cognac RT owners... Lol

 

[PistonBlown]

So am I right in thinking that BRP produces the Rotax engines, but doesn't just use them in their vehicles they sell them to other manufacturers as well?


What I mean is that Aprilla isn't associated w/ BRP right?

Rotax is an Austrian company that's part of the BRP group so yes they own the engines. However there are a number of bikes that use the engines including Aprila, which we tend to know because its the same engine as ours, but also BMW, Kawasaki and probably quite a few others.

My feelings on this from an RS owners point of view and as posted before - not sure how well the 1330 engine would suit the RS. It would add weight and width and the HP/Torque didn't sound right.

It would be nice to see BRP use this engine to produce a cruiser/streetfighter model that looked a bit like a Triumph Rocket III, the engine sounded like it would be good for that.

For the RS I'd prefer a race mode option and I'm sure there's a lot more power that could be had from the current engine configuration. I suspect heat will be the issue, particularly on the rear cylinder.

 

[SNOOPY]

I remember Rotax being produced in Austria from my days of owning many Seadoos, just thought at the time it was a subsidiary of Bombardier. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[Mo Lee]

I've always liked the smooth power of 6 or more cylinders, 3 would be a step in the right direction.

 

[Bob Denman]

One thing's for sure...
There have been, and will be; test mules out there running hwatever new setup that they want to run through their paces... :shocked: :thumbup:

 

[Raptor]

Originally I voted yes I would like to see the 1330 in the RS. But this was really a knee-jerk reaction. After thinking about it for a wile I think it would be far better to just unleash what the V990 is actually capable of power-wise and keep the weight down. or even a revamped 1125 helicon engine that would deliver not only better HP but better torque as well, and it would still fit easily fit in it's frame, which should be re-engineered in Alloy to bring weight down even further. I have always been disappointed by how badly neutered the V990 turned out to be. I think a lot has been left on the table with this platform, from power to handling.

So for the ST/RT platforms, the Ace engine would be great and probably more appropriate. But for the sport guys, an 1125 and some re-engineering makes more sense.

 

[BajaRon]

Originally I voted yes I would like to see the 1330 in the RS. But this was really a knee-jerk reaction. After thinking about it for a wile I think it would be far better to just unleash what the V990 is actually capable of power-wise and keep the weight down. or even a revamped 1125 helicon engine that would deliver not only better HP but better torque as well, and it would still fit easily fit in it's frame, which should be re-engineered in Alloy to bring weight down even further. I have always been disappointed by how badly neutered the V990 turned out to be. I think a lot has been left on the table with this platform, from power to handling.

So for the ST/RT platforms, the Ace engine would be great and probably more appropriate. But for the sport guys, an 1125 and some re-engineering makes more sense.

This has all been discussed before.

The 1125 engine rights belong to Buell (though made by Rotax) and Buell isn't interested in releasing the rights to that engine. That's a dead end.

The 998cc Rotax in the Aprilia does in fact make quite a bit more HP at a very narrow peak. This is in a machine that weighs just over 1/2 of what our Spyder weighs. That engine doesn't have enough torque to get out of its own way on a Spyder. BRP already has to idle this engine up and still many (with standard clutch) have trouble getting started on a hill without killing the engine. In such situations you need liberal throttle and a fair amount of clutch slippage to go forward without stalling the engine.

Even with the modifications to get more, much needed torque out of the 998 you still have a fairly narrow power curve, (though flattened as compared to the Aprilia application).

It would have been MUCH less expensive, time consuming and easier to simply slap the Aprilia engine into the Spyder. Think of all the engineering and R&D required to come up with NEW cams, NEW port timing, injectors, etc. BRP would not have wasted their time if the Aprilia engine were a viable match for the Spyder out of the box.