2014 RT SE6 with no spark - any ideas?

[Mikey]

OH, crap!!!:banghead:

 

[Mikey]

Is you your battery up to full charge?

 

[Mikey]

Still think you got a water problem! Bad fuel can give you fits, and a weak battery with this machine will do the same! Your fuel filter could be full of crap:dontknow: Good luck I'll leave you alone!!!!

 

[trikermutha]

Wondering too about low battery voltage?

 

[trikermutha]

Engine Cranking Conditions SM6 Model The following conditions must be met to allow engine cranking: – Ignition switch ON – Emergency engine stop switch to RUN – Mode button pressed in once (safety message acknowledgement) – Transmission in neutral (or in gear with clutch lever depressed) – Brake pedal depressed – D.E.S.S. recognizes the key – Start button pressed in. SE6 Model The following conditions must be met to allow engine cranking: – Ignition switch ON – Emergency engine stop switch to RUN – Mode button pressed in once (safety message acknowledgement) – Transmission in neutral – Brake pedal depressed – D.E.S.S. recognizes the key – Start button pressed in. NOTE: If the transmission was not in neutral when the engine was shut off, the HCM (hydraulic control module) will automatically shift the transmission to neutral at the next engine start to allow engine starting (if there is sufficient oil pressure). The parking brake state will not affect engine cranking. TROUBLESHOOTING TROUBLESHOOTING TIPS It is good practice to check for fault codes using B.U.D.S.as a first troubleshooting step. Refer to COMMUNICATION TOOLS AND B.U.D.S. subsection. Refer to POWER DISTRIBUTION AND GROUNDS for fuses and relays information. Always refer to the WIRING DIAGRAMwhen troubleshooting an electrical circuit. Install a battery charger on jump start posts in front storage compartment for any tests that involve a prolonged "key ON" period. If battery voltage gets too low, test results can be altered. NOTICE Never force a multimeter probe into an electrical terminal. STARTING SYSTEM TROUBLESHOOTING If the gauge or lights do not come on when ignition switch is ON, refer to TROUBLESHOOTING in IGNITION SYSTEMsubsection. If gauge and lights come ON with the ignition switch ON and starter does not engage, start your testing sequence by carrying out STARTER OPERATION TESTin this subsection.

 

[trikermutha]

Refer to the following list for possible causes: – F8 fuse – Battery or connections (refer to CHARGING SYSTEM) – D2 diode – Start button – Engine stop switch – Starter solenoid – Clutch engagement switch (SM6 model) – Gear position sensor (SM6 model) – D.E.S.S. – Brake light switch (SE6 model) if transmission in gear) – Electrical cables/connections – ECM. If fuse F8 continuously blows, isolate the following components to determine the source of the short circuit: – Pre-starting relay – Starter solenoid – Heated oxygen sensors – EVAP purge valve – Fuel pump – D2 diode – Clutch solenoid valve (SM6 model) – Camshaft position sensor – Reverse actuator relay (R1). On SM6 model: – If starter cranks only with the clutch lever depressed, verify the GBPS (gearbox position sensor) and its circuits. Refer to GEARBOXsubsection. – If starter cranks only in neutral, carry out the CLUTCH SWITCH CONTINUITY TEST

 

[trikermutha]

TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDELINES Lights or Gauge do not come on when the Ignition Switch is turned ON 1. Check battery and battery cable condition. 2. Carry out an IGNITION SWITCH OPERATION TESTsee procedure in this subsection. Misfires or no Ignition Spark 1. Check fuse F6 in LH fuse box (LFB). 2. Ensure ignition coils are properly installed and connected. 3. Check spark plug(s), refer to SPARK PLUGSin this subsection. 4. Ensure the HIC connector (engine harness to main vehicle harness interconnect) is properly connected. Check condition of connector pins and ensure they are properly locked in the connector. Pay particular attention to pins 1, 2 and 3. 5. Carry out an ignition coil test using B.U.D.S.. Refer to IGNITION COILSin this subsection. PROCEDURES IGNITION SWITCH Ignition Switch Circuit Functions IGNITION SWITCH CIRCUIT FUNCTIONS PINS CIRCUIT FUNCTIONS A – G Ignition B – F Lights M – I Ignition circuit to ground Ignition Switch Operation Test Turn ignition switch ON. The following should come on: – Multifunction gauge (assuming it works) – LH and RH marker lights – License plate light – LH and RH taillights. If Nothing Came ON, Check the Following in this Order: 1. J4 main fuse in LH fuse box (LFB). 2. Fuses F1 (RFB) and F2 in (LFB) (both must be blown for complete quick test failure). 3. Voltage at J4 fuse input terminal. If there is no voltage, check for an open circuit between battery and LH fuse box. If there is voltage, check for an open circuit between J4 fuse and fuses F1 (RFB) and F2 (LFB). If Lights Came ON but the Multifunction Gauge did not, Check the Following in this Order: 1. Fuse F2 in LH fuse box. 2. Main relay R3 in LFB and related circuits, refer to POWER DISTRIBUTION AND GROUNDS subsection and the WIRING DIAGRAM. 3. Multifunction gauge connector, and associated circuits. 4. Carry out an IGNITION SWITCH OUTPUT VOLTAGE TEST (TO ECM) . Ignition Switch Output Voltage Test (to ECM) NOTE: This circuit provides the ECM wake-up voltage signal. 1. To gain access to the ECM connector, refer to ECM LOCATION ACCESSin ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION (EFI)subsection.

 

[Mikey]

Ya that darn DESS thing is a real pain for a lot of people!! If I had any problems with it I would delete it!!

 

[trikermutha]

Its going to need some tests before the issue can be resolved. Usually the DESS will not let you start the bike and show the orange key on the display. And the Antenna plugs into the DESS module from the Key swutch.

 

[mastertek2000]

Engine Cranking Conditions SM6 Model The following conditions must be met to allow engine cranking: – Ignition switch ON – Emergency engine stop switch to RUN – Mode button pressed in once (safety message acknowledgement) – Transmission in neutral (or in gear with clutch lever depressed) – Brake pedal depressed – D.E.S.S. recognizes the key – Start button pressed in. SE6 Model The following conditions must be met to allow engine cranking: – Ignition switch ON – Emergency engine stop switch to RUN – Mode button pressed in once (safety message acknowledgement) – Transmission in neutral – Brake pedal depressed – D.E.S.S. recognizes the key – Start button pressed in. NOTE: If the transmission was not in neutral when the engine was shut off, the HCM (hydraulic control module) will automatically shift the transmission to neutral at the next engine start to allow engine starting (if there is sufficient oil pressure). The parking brake state will not affect engine cranking. TROUBLESHOOTING TROUBLESHOOTING TIPS It is good practice to check for fault codes using B.U.D.S.as a first troubleshooting step. Refer to COMMUNICATION TOOLS AND B.U.D.S. subsection. Refer to POWER DISTRIBUTION AND GROUNDS for fuses and relays information. Always refer to the WIRING DIAGRAMwhen troubleshooting an electrical circuit. Install a battery charger on jump start posts in front storage compartment for any tests that involve a prolonged "key ON" period. If battery voltage gets too low, test results can be altered. NOTICE Never force a multimeter probe into an electrical terminal. STARTING SYSTEM TROUBLESHOOTING If the gauge or lights do not come on when ignition switch is ON, refer to TROUBLESHOOTING in IGNITION SYSTEMsubsection. If gauge and lights come ON with the ignition switch ON and starter does not engage, start your testing sequence by carrying out STARTER OPERATION TESTin this subsection.

Well now that you say that the bike is in Reverse

 

[JayBros]

I vote for crap in the fuel system. Since there is a coil on each of the spark plugs it would have to be a primary electrical power fault to cause all three plugs to have no spark. From what I've read here on SL since the introduction of the 1330 engine flooding the fuel system dos not seem to be the problem with the engine that some V-twin owners experienced. It appears to me a technician may have to get up close and personal with the Spyder and B.U.D.S. to accurately diagnose the problem. I can tell you from my own experience getting a bad tank of gas, full of water, when the bike was a shade over a year old and had 11.4K on the clock. I got maybe a half mile from the C-store/gas station the engine sputtered and stalled maybe three times than would not start at all. Fortunately there was a dealership only 16 miles away. B.E.S.T. roadside assist covered the rollback and the oil company that owned the station covered all the shop expense for the dealership to purge and flush the system. It has run like a finely tuned watch for 56K and five years since the bad fuel episode.

 

[trikermutha]

Well now that you say that the bike is in Reverse

There ya go. So with the SE6 it should be started in Neutral and should go there automatically assuming you have a SE6? Manual has to have clutch pulled in or in Neutral to start. But sounds like you are getting it to turn over?

 

[mastertek2000]

There ya go. So with the SE6 it should be started in Neutral and should go there automatically assuming you have a SE6? Manual has to have clutch pulled in or in Neutral to start. But sounds like you are getting it to turn over?

It’s the semi automatic it does crank how would I get it in neutral

 

[trikermutha]

I wonder hows it cranking if its in Reverse??

Try pressing the paddle shifter and see if it shifts . BUT be careful if trying to start it and shifting , I would have your foot on the brake too. It should go into Neutral automatically when turned off and back on to restart.

Is the bike moving when you are cranking it? It may not have enough RPM to engage the clutch to move.

 

[trikermutha]

NOTE: If the transmission was not in neutral when the engine was shut off, the HCM (hydraulic control module) will automatically shift the transmission to neutral at the next engine start to allow engine starting (if there is sufficient oil pressure). The parking brake state will not affect engine starting.

 

[Mikey]

I would put my foot on the brake anyway! And it should be on the display what gear it's in, if the display isn't lit then maybe the battery needs a charge!:dontknow:

 

[Mikey]

How would a person check the crank censer?

 

[trikermutha]

It wont crank anyway if the brake is not pressed along with the other conditions that need to be met before it can crank.

 

[trikermutha]

No Fault codes stored??

 

[Mikey]

It wont crank anyway if the brake is not pressed along with the other conditions that need to be met before it can crank.

Mine will start in neutral with out brake peddle