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NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Remember Randy, the console is taller, too, so the mounting position is not the same. The oveall height will be taller with the same length windshield. It has a nice recurve, too. I expect you will also find the different body and the different mirrors will greatly affect the airflow and turbulence. Paiteince grasshopper. These questions will all be answered when Holly takes her test ride.
spyder3
New member
I agree. I see nothing on the new RT front that excites me even a little. I like trying new things, but my 2011 LMT bike runs great, handles great, looks great and is as comfortable as its going to get IMO. The 2013's get a big YAWNNNN from me. Not saying they aren't nice, just not much of an upgrade for my riding style.
Opinions
Seems a little weird that in a different thread someone couldn't have an opinion on anything about the spyder because he didn't own one. He based his decisions on what he read , heard and saw .Now here's a whole thread with a bunch of negatives based on only what is seen on pictures. Make up my mind.
Seems a little weird that in a different thread someone couldn't have an opinion on anything about the spyder because he didn't own one. He based his decisions on what he read , heard and saw .Now here's a whole thread with a bunch of negatives based on only what is seen on pictures. Make up my mind.
pro10is
New member
Horsepower Issue
I've seen several references to those who are upset and dismayed at the loss of rated horsepower for the ST vs the RS. You need to understand that peak horsepower alone is not an accurate indicator of an engine's actual usable power. Look closer at the specifications and you'll see that the ST engine's torque at specific RPMs has increased over the RS rating. What this means is that BRP has re-tuned the engine to produce more torque (rotational force) where it is needed. This allows for better performance pulling more weight at critical engine speeds. There's no loss of engine power, it's just been redistributed to a power curve better suited to the weight of the ST and to improve its towing capability. The same was done for the RT. Same engine, same amount of usable power. The RS, being lighter and not rated for towing, requires less torque so it has a different power curve for maximum acceleration. Kudos to BRP to properly tune the engine to suit the application even though they knew people would erroneously think it had less power based only upon the peak horsepower rating.
I've seen several references to those who are upset and dismayed at the loss of rated horsepower for the ST vs the RS. You need to understand that peak horsepower alone is not an accurate indicator of an engine's actual usable power. Look closer at the specifications and you'll see that the ST engine's torque at specific RPMs has increased over the RS rating. What this means is that BRP has re-tuned the engine to produce more torque (rotational force) where it is needed. This allows for better performance pulling more weight at critical engine speeds. There's no loss of engine power, it's just been redistributed to a power curve better suited to the weight of the ST and to improve its towing capability. The same was done for the RT. Same engine, same amount of usable power. The RS, being lighter and not rated for towing, requires less torque so it has a different power curve for maximum acceleration. Kudos to BRP to properly tune the engine to suit the application even though they knew people would erroneously think it had less power based only upon the peak horsepower rating.
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mick ruhdorf
New member
LOOKS GOOD
Hi all i think the new ST looks cool ,cant afford one but it looks cool . Now i will give my opinion about windscreens (some people will NOT like this ) ive just put the ultra short windscreen on my RS why? because one of the things i love about motorcycling is the wind in my face, if you want to be isolated from the elements DRIVE YOUR CAR .
cheers mick
Hi all i think the new ST looks cool ,cant afford one but it looks cool . Now i will give my opinion about windscreens (some people will NOT like this ) ive just put the ultra short windscreen on my RS why? because one of the things i love about motorcycling is the wind in my face, if you want to be isolated from the elements DRIVE YOUR CAR .
cheers mick
torque is what moves you..... horsepower is only good at near max rpm.... I'll take more torque anyday!!!!!! do you run near red line?
Seems to me that BRP has filled a gap...
RS= Sport riding
ST= sport riding / touring.... even if one up
RT= touring comfort for 2
RTS= fun for 2
Seems like a winning comb to me!!!!!
variety IS the spice of life!!!!!
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chris56
Active member
???? did now 30.000 mls with the two Spders - most here in the Alps
which is a lot of work to drive with a spyder ..
when I did my first sitdown on the ST Modell everything was perfect - my arms are straight and the feets found there postion where it should be ..:thumbup:
I can look "over" the shield :thumbup:
my girl will need a backrest - but she does not sit in the first floor (RT-seat) where her head is not protectet from the wind :thumbup:
downhill I always wanted much stronger frontbrakes - :thumbup:
the heat-problems are solved :thumbup:
so maybe my first bike where I have to "optimise" nothing when I get it ??
(OK some strips or a second colour ...) and :
there are some different kind of side-cases from GIVI which fit on the original frame
http://www.givi.it/Side-hardbags/Monokey-/TRK33N-TREKKER
which is a lot of work to drive with a spyder ..
when I did my first sitdown on the ST Modell everything was perfect - my arms are straight and the feets found there postion where it should be ..:thumbup:
I can look "over" the shield :thumbup:
my girl will need a backrest - but she does not sit in the first floor (RT-seat) where her head is not protectet from the wind :thumbup:
downhill I always wanted much stronger frontbrakes - :thumbup:
the heat-problems are solved :thumbup:
so maybe my first bike where I have to "optimise" nothing when I get it ??
(OK some strips or a second colour ...) and :
there are some different kind of side-cases from GIVI which fit on the original frame
http://www.givi.it/Side-hardbags/Monokey-/TRK33N-TREKKER
SethO
New member
Let me see...Can any of our guru's tell me what the horsepower of the stock RS is after doing the canneroskopy (sp)...adding the Hindle, K&N filter and 0-2 modifier?..Close to 120 HP I would imagine....I'll take on the RSS anytime.Then considering the thousands I've put into transforming my stock RS into a machine that I'm totally delighted with...such as the Elka shocks, EVO swaybar, Madstad windshield, Skin wrap by Pete, Garmin 660 GPS, Drift 170 Video/still can, corbin seats, passenger backrest, saddlebags, Day Runner lights, Triple Play, Mudflap & fender tip lights, trunk liner...even more...My baby runs perfect...not a single problem that wasn't self inflicted...I like the new RS but......It's all about the ponies and the fact I've got my baby personalized the way I want it...Will I get the new design?....Maybe, but definitely not at this point, a XM radio seems like it's a possible fit with my machine.
I hate to burst your bubble on your numbers, 109 hp to the crank is really 92 hp to the tire which is butt by rocket standards for a 750 lb machine but it is a trike and new and was a quick attempt to get the product out with the league min for investment and now we all have something cool in common. the o2 mod does nothing for hp and a mild base slip on will give you 2-3 hp and that is being nice to hindle and the air filter might give you 2hp. The suspension mod's you have give you the most performance for speed out of corners.
pro10is
Horsepower Issue
I've seen several references to those who are upset and dismayed at the loss of rated horsepower for the ST vs the RS. You need to understand that peak horsepower alone is not an accurate indicator of an engine's actual usable power. Look closer at the specifications and you'll see that the ST engine's torque at specific RPMs has increased over the RS rating. What this means is that BRP has re-tuned the engine to produce more torque (rotational force) where it is needed. This allows for better performance pulling more weight at critical engine speeds. There's no loss of engine power, it's just been redistributed to a power curve better suited to the weight of the ST and to improve its towing capability. The same was done for the RT. Same engine, same amount of usable power. The RS, being lighter and not rated for towing, requires less torque so it has a different power curve for maximum acceleration. Kudos to BRP to properly tune the engine to suit the application even though they knew people would erroneously think it had less power based only upon the peak horsepower rating.
I have a PC 5 with autotune and that adjusts the power curve on my RS and it is the best increase I have got for managing the power on the spyder. That being said are you trying to say that if the new ST had 150hp stock that it would do worse or better for towing and gas mileage ? it would much better with a increase of hp or TORQUE. The RT owners I have talked to biggest complaint is the TERRIBLE gas mileage which could be increased by a real motor increase. I don't expect people to buy a RT for power but if you want a Touring machine then you need to go more than the 100 MPG or 150 if you are doing it for mileage and not worried about being killed by a semi hitting you in the butt.
I understand the mid sized idea but BRP could have took those improvements and applied them to both spyders and made more improvements with the time. I am personally let down that there was no increase in overall performance.
Again for people that have not met me I am in the minority because of my age and physical situation but the people in my age group are not ready to buy something that is this low on the performance level, its the best trike on the market and tell people that but its good not great and I wish it was.
I've seen several references to those who are upset and dismayed at the loss of rated horsepower for the ST vs the RS. You need to understand that peak horsepower alone is not an accurate indicator of an engine's actual usable power. Look closer at the specifications and you'll see that the ST engine's torque at specific RPMs has increased over the RS rating. What this means is that BRP has re-tuned the engine to produce more torque (rotational force) where it is needed. This allows for better performance pulling more weight at critical engine speeds. There's no loss of engine power, it's just been redistributed to a power curve better suited to the weight of the ST and to improve its towing capability. The same was done for the RT. Same engine, same amount of usable power. The RS, being lighter and not rated for towing, requires less torque so it has a different power curve for maximum acceleration. Kudos to BRP to properly tune the engine to suit the application even though they knew people would erroneously think it had less power based only upon the peak horsepower rating.
I have a PC 5 with autotune and that adjusts the power curve on my RS and it is the best increase I have got for managing the power on the spyder. That being said are you trying to say that if the new ST had 150hp stock that it would do worse or better for towing and gas mileage ? it would much better with a increase of hp or TORQUE. The RT owners I have talked to biggest complaint is the TERRIBLE gas mileage which could be increased by a real motor increase. I don't expect people to buy a RT for power but if you want a Touring machine then you need to go more than the 100 MPG or 150 if you are doing it for mileage and not worried about being killed by a semi hitting you in the butt.
I understand the mid sized idea but BRP could have took those improvements and applied them to both spyders and made more improvements with the time. I am personally let down that there was no increase in overall performance.
Again for people that have not met me I am in the minority because of my age and physical situation but the people in my age group are not ready to buy something that is this low on the performance level, its the best trike on the market and tell people that but its good not great and I wish it was.
Littlebadwolf
New member
Seth...Thanks for the clarification/explanation regarding the hp of the RS...It still doesn't change my opionion of my RS...It's set up exactly as I want it...without the XM radio of course but I'll rectify that one..and I'll still take on the RSS.....I'm just not ready to spend the additional thousands it would take to get the ST up to par with all the accessories I have on my RS...Maybe one day, but not at the moment....Happy Spydering
...I'm just not ready to spend the additional thousands it would take to get the ST up to par with all the accessories I have on my RS...Maybe one day, but not at the moment....Happy Spydering
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Adirondack Mik
New member
Thumbs-up from the boss??? :2thumbs:hyea: :yes:
Welllllllllll we will see.:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: With the improvements in brakes, suspension and adjustable handle bars I would rather she had the new one.
Bob Denman
New member
I agree; Let her go pick the new one... :2thumbs:
Ivorspyder
New member
:agree:When I first saw the Can Am RS in 2008 I was not interested in them at all.At the time I was riding the ST 1300 which I thought was a great ride.I then changed to a Goldwing for 3 years and earlier this year saw for the 1st time the RT and knew then that is what my change would be.Had I seen the ST then my interest would have been equally peeked.I equate Can Ams Rt &St to Honda,s ST and Goldwing.I think they have hit a home run with the ST and think a lot of people who would perhaps be buying the Honda St or the other Sport Touring motorcycles on the market will be looking to the Can Am as an alternative.In my opinion this is an additional market for them as well as existing RS customers upgrading to the ST.
Ivor:spyder:
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