2013 rt problem tread

[Magdave]

...diging what I'm seeing so far! :2thumbs:
Dave,
You did a lot with your bike, and insulating the fuel tank... how about some pics of that?? :thumbup:

Ask and ye shall receive







Only place left to do is over the Cat I been a little lazy and need to get another roll of DEI insulating tape to finish but it will be easy to do just back it up on my ramp and get busy. It is easy to get to.

 

[Magdave]

Oh... In that case, bad advise! Sorry about that!

I have thought about revving it and pushing the button but I fear what may happened :yikes:

 

[cuznjohn]

like it

i really like the fact that this is working out where people can talk w/o arguing, that being said i am leery about wrapping the tank. there has to be a really good reason they never did it.but i do hope now that we have a tread with just complaints, that brp will read them and maybe answer some questions to the problems

 

[Bob Denman]

Dave,
Thanks for those pics! :2thumbs:
That has GOT to help with the perceived heat issues plaguing the 13s! :thumbup:
And as far as having an ESSIE...
Three words:
Bleach Pit; Baby!! :2thumbs:

 

[Magdave]

i really like the fact that this is working out where people can talk w/o arguing, that being said i am leery about wrapping the tank. there has to be a really good reason they never did it.but i do hope now that we have a tread with just complaints, that brp will read them and maybe answer some questions to the problems

Of course there is it is $$$$ it is costing me $60 for the tape and 1hr labor. It is 1mil DEI 1500 degree tape and all it does it keep the tank from being a heat sink. I'm sure BRP did not intend it to be. It does nothing to prevent airflow except around the cap and latch area so no hot seat front. Cap has never been over 110deg and was 132deg before latch area I sealed the big hole I do no believe it has intended to be a vent as the seat blocks it. It was 150deg before 100 now. I am still waiting for FB to chime in if BRP paid for her tank they did not for me and I was not waiting after she posted her dealer and BRP approved it.

 

[spyder3]

Ok, since i'm easily confused, this thread is about spyders, not toasters right?

 

[Magdave]

Ok, since i'm easily confused, this thread is about spyders, not toasters right?

Depends whether it is a 2013 it could be a toaster :yikes:

 

[Bob Denman]

I guess it's time for Arthur...

In deference to the seriousness of the heat issue; I haven't posted this one...
until now! :roflblack:

Caveat: no mean-spiritedness or malice is meant by this...
Just some light-hearted humor; for those who can see it.

 

[Magdave]

:roflblack::roflblack: Even the words fit the situation it's OK until someone gets hurt then it would be bad taste :thumbup:

 

[OWISE1]

2013 RT-S SE5 Issues

Purchased my 2013 RT-S SE5 in June. Right away the HEAT Issues and handling/wandering started. Total 2100 miles to date.

Problem #1: extreme HEAT, right foot, front of seat, glove box, right side panels
Fix: Dealer and BRP say that is "normal" nojoke....tech shrugs his shoulders, I believe in disagreement,....after all he needs a job.:dontknow:

Problem #2: Spyder wanders all over the road.....

Fix: dealer said I had to get use to riding differently, I have been riding 2/3 wheels for 35+ yrs, it's NOT me....NO FIX YET...did do an alignment nothing wrong, Not Laser though. I did a BajaRon Sway Bar which seems to help, but still has a tendency to wander.

Problem #3: extremely HOT gas cap, must wear gloves to remove and Boiling gas in tank and strong smell of gas after long rides.

Fix: Nothing from dealer or BRP

Problem #4: In late Aug after Canadian Recall, I check Master Cylinder.... Melted :yikes:

Fix: Dealer replaced MC & fluid per Recall. Tech aslo found a melted wiring harness melted to bare wires near MC. Tech ctd BRP who told him to splice in new wire to repair harness, "Not to replace the Harness". There still is the HEAT issues on right foot, front of seat, glove box and side panels.

Filed a NTHSA Complaint on Heat issues, then came the USA Recall.

Problem #5: BRP's lack of concern for my issues, not finding a solution. Dealer has done all they can do at this point without BRP coming up with a fix.

Fix: Building CASE for a Lemon Law Complaint in WA ST. Started gathering records and letter sent to BRP asking them to "rebuy" my Spyder.

BRP did respond 3 days ago, asking my tech for all the records and BUDS reports. Said they would get back to me in two weeks.

So the Spyder sits in the garage as it is not comfortable or fun to ride.

 

[cuznjohn]

BRP

Purchased my 2013 RT-S SE5 in June. Right away the HEAT Issues and handling/wandering started. Total 2100 miles to date.

Problem #1: extreme HEAT, right foot, front of seat, glove box, right side panels
Fix: Dealer and BRP say that is "normal" nojoke....tech shrugs his shoulders, I believe in disagreement,....after all he needs a job.:dontknow:

Problem #2: Spyder wanders all over the road.....

Fix: dealer said I had to get use to riding differently, I have been riding 2/3 wheels for 35+ yrs, it's NOT me....NO FIX YET...did do an alignment nothing wrong, Not Laser though. I did a BajaRon Sway Bar which seems to help, but still has a tendency to wander.

Problem #3: extremely HOT gas cap, must wear gloves to remove and Boiling gas in tank and strong smell of gas after long rides.

Fix: Nothing from dealer or BRP

Problem #4: In late Aug after Canadian Recall, I check Master Cylinder.... Melted :yikes:

Fix: Dealer replaced MC & fluid per Recall. Tech aslo found a melted wiring harness melted to bare wires near MC. Tech ctd BRP who told him to splice in new wire to repair harness, "Not to replace the Harness". There still is the HEAT issues on right foot, front of seat, glove box and side panels.

Filed a NTHSA Complaint on Heat issues, then came the USA Recall.

Problem #5: BRP's lack of concern for my issues, not finding a solution. Dealer has done all they can do at this point without BRP coming up with a fix.

Fix: Building CASE for a Lemon Law Complaint in WA ST. Started gathering records and letter sent to BRP asking them to "rebuy" my Spyder.

BRP did respond 3 days ago, asking my tech for all the records and BUDS reports. Said they would get back to me in two weeks.

So the Spyder sits in the garage as it is not comfortable or fun to ride.

i was writing to steve m from brp through e mails, once i said i would sue if i got a burn he no longer want to talk in e mails only on the phone, so no written records. he called my dealer first than he called me and said that he ordered a battery of tests to be done on my bike. i went and bought a cheap heat detector and took a ride, when i came to a stop in 66 degree weather i took readings at all the hot points and took pictures of each reading as i took them. i sent the pictures to him and he said it is way too hot. so we just have to keep it up until they fix it, but between you and me i don't see a fix it is a design flaw on their part. when people say they don't have a heat problem i just don't understand how. so the bike goes in tomorrow morning and we will see what happens.

 

[RBS66]

i was writing to steve m from brp through e mails, once i said i would sue if i got a burn he no longer want to talk in e mails only on the phone, so no written records. he called my dealer first than he called me and said that he ordered a battery of tests to be done on my bike. i went and bought a cheap heat detector and took a ride, when i came to a stop in 66 degree weather i took readings at all the hot points and took pictures of each reading as i took them. i sent the pictures to him and he said it is way too hot. so we just have to keep it up until they fix it, but between you and me i don't see a fix it is a design flaw on their part. when people say they don't have a heat problem i just don't understand how. so the bike goes in tomorrow morning and we will see what happens.

Hope it all works out for you and your bike comes back perfect!!!!

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree::2thumbs:
Tomorrow, is when he starts to find out...

 

[cuznjohn]

 

[RBS66]

The great thing about this forum, whether it be good information or bad information, IT 's THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO GET INFORMATION. I want to read all the posts good or bad I think we learn that way. These are road worthy machines that you drive at highway speeds with your loved one on the back. Where I live there are no other spiders around I cannot just walk over to my neighbors house and ask them hey is yours like this. It's not a Ford or Chevy pick up. So thank you everybody for your help good or bad.

 

[ARtraveler]

Looks like so far, so good with this thread and the intent behind it. :thumbup::thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

PM being sent... :clap::firstplace::2thumbs:

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

Well I guess it's my turn... 2013 RTS purchased September 10th, delivery delayed for 5 days because of recall (my first clue). My first list of issues was the hot gas cap and boiling fuel, bike wanders all over the road, excessive fuel smell. Dealer looked at bike and said that the hot gas cap is "normal" for Spyders. Told me to "crank up" the rear suspension to stop the wandering (only made it worse) They did fix the fuel smell even though they said they couldn't find anything?? My next batch of problems are... shift switch stuck twice and popped loose (still works) Parking brake stuck on and a small oil leak at the pressure switch and of course the excessive heat on the tank and gas cap! Dealer looked at bike and could not find anything with the shift switch (figures) No oil leaking? Parking brake works every time (figures) but still no answer with the heat issue and the dealer logged a temp on the gas cap of 153 degrees and I have that on a work order! Now my current problem is the EBD warning, ABS warning, Limp home mode and a series of warning lights? No codes?? Glitch? Oh and the excessive heat! I did my first long ride with friend this weekend and had to put a towel on the seat area to keep from roasting my nuts! It was nice this weekend but only about 80 out, whats it going to be like when its 95 out! My current situation with BRP is nill! I have a case number but no returned calls in 2 weeks. Dealer keeps telling me "that's the way they are" tried to trade back in and order a 14 but dealer don't want it back. I'm not going to spend a dime rebuilding their design, they will have to make these right for people. I currently have an expensive toy that my wife will not even get on! I suppose that it's no coincidence that my bike and lemons are yellow....First major purchase in my life that i'm totally unhappy with!

 

[BajaRon]

i was writing to steve m from brp through e mails, once i said i would sue if i got a burn he no longer want to talk in e mails only on the phone, so no written records. he called my dealer first than he called me and said that he ordered a battery of tests to be done on my bike. i went and bought a cheap heat detector and took a ride, when i came to a stop in 66 degree weather i took readings at all the hot points and took pictures of each reading as i took them. i sent the pictures to him and he said it is way too hot. so we just have to keep it up until they fix it, but between you and me i don't see a fix it is a design flaw on their part. when people say they don't have a heat problem i just don't understand how. so the bike goes in tomorrow morning and we will see what happens.

I know I've said this before but I haven't seen anything that would persuade me otherwise, just the opposite.

Not taking BRP's side here, just trying to look at the facts objectively. And admittedly, there are some design flaws that I'm not trying to overlook (i.e. the MC taking way too much heat - Ray Charles could have seen that one coming).

But if the overall heating issue were a design flaw, then everyone would be suffering the same. But the fact is there are at least some, if not most, who are not having this much trouble. Design flaws are much more consistent than this.

And I know I've said this before as well, but it seems to me that much of this excessive heat on the problem 2013's might be traced back to a very lean fuel mix. That will really heat things up in a hurry.

So you could have everything exactly the same from front to back, run one engine rich, run another just right, and the 3rd one very lean, and the 1st 2 would run much cooler than the 3rd. We are talking a potential of a few hundred degrees difference in the exhaust gas temperatures. (Sounds like a story I read once about some girl and a few bears - but I digress...).

Anyway, speculation is great fun but we are all looking forward to what your diagnosis comes up with.

I, for one, am not complaining about the complaining, as long as the idea is a reasoned approach to a permanent solution. That's something we can all get behind.

 

[Ronbo]

Problems with 2013 RT LIMITED

I look forward to hearing any diagnosis that they come up with on your bike. I intend to keep my 2013 and work through the problems. Yes, some will be at my expense. I still like the bike though and I doubt it will cost $10k to fix the deficiencies.

Had 3000 miles on my lava brown 2013 rt limited.
No Problems!!! I just had to have that new bad boy 3 cylinder!! I'M EXCITED!