2008 Spyder GS (RS) | Fire Damage

[oh400ex]

2008 Spyder GS (SM5) | Fire Damage

Hello everyone!

2008 Spyder SM5 that caught fire.
Was told that it was an electrical fire starting in the dash but completely unknown history.

Likely never going to ride again and is destined for parting-out.

Wanted to see what you all thought about it. Any opinions or suggestions are welcome!

Thank you for looking!

 

[JayBros]

Junk!

 

[KX5062]

well, there is a member here who was recently told he needed a total engine rebuild. Here's a possible donor.

 

[billybovine]

well, there is a member here who was recently told he needed a total engine rebuild. Here's a possible donor.

The OP does not say if it is a SM or SE model. Also this engine is a 990 series not a 991 series like in the other thread you mentioned. That would make it more complicated again.

 

[oh400ex]

Junk!

Aww. Guess I was hoping for a "saved it from the junkyard" sort of deal but you are right. Poor thing...

well, there is a member here who was recently told he needed a total engine rebuild. Here's a possible donor.

Unknown engine miles and condition.
A number of things could have happened but if the story was true and it caught fire that means it was running when that happened.

The OP does not say if it is a SM or SE model. Also this engine is a 990 series not a 991 series like in the other thread you mentioned. That would make it more complicated again.

I honestly don't know how to tell or the difference between. No idea what an engine swap would entail on one of these.

Please feel free to post any information in this thread... it is greatly appreciated!

All I know is that it's an 08 Spyder GS (Trim RS) V2 Engine 990cc
If it isn't burned off tell me where to look and I'll check it out

I would love to see this thing on the road again!

 

[billybovine]

If it had a clutch lever left handlebar before the fire and it has a gear shift lever in front of the left foot peg. Then it is a manual SM5. If it does not have either one of this things. Then it is a semi-automatic SE5.

 

[oh400ex]

If it had a clutch lever left handlebar before the fire and it has a gear shift lever in front of the left foot peg. Then it is a manual SM5. If it does not have either one of this things. Then it is a semi-automatic SE5.

This model has its shifter in front of the left foot peg.

SM5

 

[oh400ex]

@jaybros @kx5062 @billybovine

Here are some pictures after some parts removed and a bath.

Curious if this changes your perspective Jay? No hate either way!
I am very interested in your opinions Spyder owners!

Thank you for looking!

 

[oh400ex]

These two show the parts that were damaged by fire and the ones that were not.

Thank you for looking!

 

[KX5062]

The OP does not say if it is a SM or SE model. Also this engine is a 990 series not a 991 series like in the other thread you mentioned. That would make it more complicated again.

I never said it would be easy. I just suggested it could be a source of a donor motor for another member in need.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

It sure looks to me like you have quite a bit of salvageable stuff there. The real question is how much of a market is there for them. You might try eBay and see what happens. I'd be inclined to try first to sell it as a whole package. Let someone else finish disassembling it!

 

[Rocketman 2012]

Fire and heat can turn everything very Brittle and cause damage that may not be readily apparent.
Sam

 

[oh400ex]

It sure looks to me like you have quite a bit of salvageable stuff there. The real question is how much of a market is there for them. You might try eBay and see what happens. I'd be inclined to try first to sell it as a whole package. Let someone else finish disassembling it!

I am going to put it on the road and ride it assuming everything just goes sunshine and fairytales. Never knowing the mileage is really going to bother me...
Assuming I put a new dash on it it will show 0 miles. Grain of salt but PO said it one owner, under 10K miles and was basically never ridden. Will definitely sell it as a whole if someone makes me an offer I can't refuse.

Fire and heat can turn everything very Brittle and cause damage that may not be readily apparent.
Sam

Oh yes. This would not be my first fire recovery unfortunately. First BRP or Spyder though.
I consider everything that was rubber or plastic compromised along with the rocker cover gaskets and one of the fuel injectors at least.

It appears that anything below a certain level didn't get hot at all unless plastic dripped onto the area.
The bike is from your neck of the woods originally.

Thank you for your comments!
Suggestions and thoughts are welcome and appreciated!

 

[BeRight]

WoW - what a challenging project you have on your hands.

You might search forum here and internet - I think (and only think don't know) that there was an issue with some 08's that leaked gas/smelled fumes. Been to long - my old fart brain isn't sure. Maybe related to smelling of gas and an evaporator can or something and there was a work around that many owner's did.

I don't know - maybe some other's here recall.

I would speculate that parting out (if market for same) would bring more $, than restoration. If your plan is $ motivated versus a hobby type project.

 

[oh400ex]

WoW - what a challenging project you have on your hands.

You might search forum here and internet - I think (and only think don't know) that there was an issue with some 08's that leaked gas/smelled fumes. Been to long - my old fart brain isn't sure. Maybe related to smelling of gas and an evaporator can or something and there was a work around that many owner's did.

I don't know - maybe some other's here recall.

I would speculate that parting out (if market for same) would bring more $, than restoration. If your plan is $ motivated versus a hobby type project.

Thank you for the reply!

I think you are right that parting it out would make the most money but I never really picked it up to make money on. It was either getting sold or destined for the junkyard and I saw enough left that it made me sad thinking it might get crushed so I bought it. Blame Ryan F9...

You are completely right about the 08 having recalls. Several. Nothing serious either. Fire... fire... crash!
Relating to fuel there are two separate issued recalls. The PO might have never even known...
This fire allegedly started in the dash but in reality I will never know.

From my initial readings... I would think the evap cannister was saturated and fumes were potentially leaking all over the bike. That would seem like the most likely source of fuel for a fire on this machine. Haven't found a thread or mention yet of another Spyder catching on the dash.

Would need a canister bypass if I keep it. Canister-ectomy is the SL term I think

December 12, 2012 NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 12V581000
Fuel Canister Vent Hose may Leak Vapors
Fuel vapors in the presence of an ignition source could result in a fire and personal injury.

December 12, 2012 NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 12V582000
Fuel Tank Cap may not Seal Properly
If the fuel cap does not seal properly, it may leak fuel vapors. Fuel vapors in the presence of an ignition source could result in a fire and personal injury.

December 12, 2007 NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 07V561000
BRAKE PEDAL
A DRIVER MAY BE UNABLE TO STOP THE VEHICLE AS EXPECTED INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

OK, things make more sense now. It wasn't clear at the start of the thread you had bought this as a salvage project and not your own machine burning up. Obviously you have more experience with Spyders than I first understood you to have. How about a bit of your history w/ Spyders?

 

[oh400ex]

Obviously you have more experience with Spyders than I first understood you to have. How about a bit of your history w/ Spyders?

Literally none. "Whoa pretty..." from a distance until this popped up. Great long-lasting forum here with tons of information... just going off of what I have read in the past few days. I have restored many different machines over the years but the closest to this would be an Arctic Cat. Done a few different JP machines with a focus on Honda ATVs. I am not afraid to wrench, paint, weld or whatever I can do to bring the machine back to life. That being said it is a money pit type of project for me (or anyone) so I'm open to the idea of selling it. If someone needed a parts machine this may be an excellent candidate. Might not get the chance if I am riding it though lol

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Good luck, and have fun!

 

[oh400ex]

Here are a few more shots...

The exhaust after cleaning, the "burnt" pile and some plastics being refinished.
On this plastic I grind off the old burnt stuff, prep surface, adhesion promoter, plastic bondo, sand, primer and paint.

Just getting started with that process and may not make it that far with this project.

Thank for for looking!

 

[JayBros]

A suggestion: if you find it worth progressing through with a rebuild you will have to rely on a dealership for up to date part numbers. If you go to this link, https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/us/en/shop/for-sale/parts-iframe.html, and drill down to the 2008 GS you will find all the parts lists. Many of the parts are listed as not available. That's because BRP does not update its online parts lists when they change part numbers. So, it's a good idea to have Cheap Cycle Parts, https://www.cheapcycleparts.com/oemparts/l/cam/500b6419f8700228ecf59fdb/2008-spyder-gs-990-5-speed-parts, bookmarked on your computer as they keep the up tp date part numbers.

There are two black boxes, the Calibration Module, PN705600626, and the Engine Control Module, PN420266764, that you will have to have the BRP's B.U.D.S., software to diagnose if they were damaged in the fire or have a dealership check them out. I note too that neither BRP nor Cheap Cycle Parts list the Engine Wiring Harness Ass'y as available. That may mean an Ebay/junkyard search.

Good luck!