2 wheel GL1800 Goldwing vs Spyder fun factor question?

[Dan_Ashley]

I posted it because it became apparent from their responses that people on this board were not familiar with the capabilities of a wing. Regardless of what you think of the rider's style or actions, it does show what a wing is possible of. If you want to see me riding I posted a small portion of it in post#29.

For post # 29:
Turn positioning much better. Still needs a little more focus though. Remember all three: Outside-inside-outside. All 3. Also, it appeared that on at least two occasions the brakes were applied after setting the line for the curve. This can cause major loss of traction--especially if you are using the harder car tires instead of the stickier, softer motorcycle tires. Car tires last longer, but they do not provide either as large a contact patch, nor are they as sticky as motorcycle tires that have been properly warmed up.

I suggest you practice cone to cone swerving in an unused parking lot. This will help a lot in both road positioning and in establising an entry speed for corners, so you won't have to brake in the turn, and won't go wide. Going wide is a big danger-- it is responsible for about 40% of motorcycle, single vehicle crashes, another 40% being braking too hard in a turn.

Going too hot into turns (the combination of the two issues aforementioned), whether being surprised by road conditions or not, causes about 80% of single vehicle motorcycle fatalities.

Of course this statistic is confounded by the turn-based run-off-the-road fatalities where the motorcyclist collided with a fixed object. There is absolutely no clarity in the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency data on these two issues. It appears that the collision with fixed object data and the speed too high for a turn data is originated by the cop who initially writes the report, and there is no standardized training or instruction for which option the officer should choose.

in short too much speed, or braking in turns, especially on car tires, decreases the probability that the rider will collect social security.

So, go practice. The video of your driving is much better than that other guy....that other guy should stay away from motorcycles.

 

[bug's zedi]

For post # 29:
Turn positioning much better. Still needs a little more focus though. Remember all three: Outside-inside-outside. All 3. Also, it appeared that on at least two occasions the brakes were applied after setting the line for the curve. This can cause major loss of traction--especially if you are using the harder car tires instead of the stickier, softer motorcycle tires. Car tires last longer, but they do not provide either as large a contact patch, nor are they as sticky as motorcycle tires that have been properly warmed up.

I suggest you practice cone to cone swerving in an unused parking lot. This will help a lot in both road positioning and in establising an entry speed for corners, so you won't have to brake in the turn, and won't go wide. Going wide is a big danger-- it is responsible for about 40% of motorcycle, single vehicle crashes, another 40% being braking too hard in a turn.

Going too hot into turns (the combination of the two issues aforementioned), whether being surprised by road conditions or not, causes about 80% of single vehicle motorcycle fatalities.

Of course this statistic is confounded by the turn-based run-off-the-road fatalities where the motorcyclist collided with a fixed object. There is absolutely no clarity in the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency data on these two issues. It appears that the collision with fixed object data and the speed too high for a turn data is originated by the cop who initially writes the report, and there is no standardized training or instruction for which option the officer should choose.

in short too much speed, or braking in turns, especially on car tires, decreases the probability that the rider will collect social security.

So, go practice. The video of your driving is much better than that other guy....that other guy should stay away from motorcycles.

I generally agree with what you said except on two accounts Car tire much better traction than MC Here is where I am the one more experienced since I have used both. Second is I am much less skilled, but ride more "socially acceptable" than the other.

 

[arntufun]

One quick question......... If your so interested and curious about the Spyder why is it, when your logged into this site the only thread you look at (FYI... we can see the threads that your viewing ) or participate in is this one ?????????

 

[Dan_Ashley]

I generally agree with what you said except on two accounts Car tire much better traction than MC Here is where I am the one more experienced since I have used both. Second is I am much less skilled, but ride more "socially acceptable" than the other.

Actually it is not experience. It is engineering...but believe whatever you want. Engineering and physics trumps belief when I mount a motorcycle.

To confirm that one could measure the size of the contact patch with the tires mounted (hint: use graph paper and a pencil. Outline the patch.). One can also get the rolling resistance data from tire manufacturers by asking. To get the rolling resistance data for a car tire at a 30 degree lean would take some lab work. The tires are not designed to lesn that much.

 

[Dan_Ashley]

Actually it is not experience. It is engineering...but believe whatever you want. Engineering and physics trumps belief when I mount a motorcycle.

To confirm that one could measure the size of the contact patch with the tires mounted (hint: use graph paper and a pencil. Outline the patch.). One can also get the rolling resistance data from tire manufacturers by asking. To get the rolling resistance data for a car tire at a 30 degree lean would take some lab work. The tires are not designed to lesn that much.

Here is a good engineering write up. It has typos, but it is an easy to read pdf.
http://dr650.zenseeker.net/Tires/MCTireInfo.pdf

 

[bug's zedi]

One quick question......... If your so interested and curious about the Spyder why is it, when your logged into this site the only thread you look at (FYI... we can see the threads that your viewing ) or participate in is this one ?????????

Not entirely correct. the only time I sign in is to comment, Otherwise I enter as a visitor. I have not seen other postings I feel I should comment on since I have no experiece with the spyder and unlike many (as this post is a perfect example) prefer not to post unless I have something relavant to the intention of the OP. I am not into the whole social media thing, and I do not know anyone on this board, unless you are a Windber Rambler fan, but I do not know even then since I just found out very recently that I knew soeone who rides a Spyder. I do not even have a facebook account. I do it this way because of questions like yours. I already knew that I could be tracked. The GL1800 board is exactly the same platform as this one.

 

[DrewNJ]

But aside from your reservations about the passing, do you think a spyder would be able to keep up?

I will only pass when it is safe to do so. The decision on whether it is safe for me does not rely on what is painted on the road but on relative speeds, line of site road conditions etc. I have no problem passing on a double line in open country a car going 45 when I can see 1/4 mile ahead. On the other hand, there are some passing zones I will not pass on in that area because of overgrowth blocking the veiw.

Myself and my good friend (also on a spyder RS) would have no problems riding at the pace in that vid and would be able to keep up just fine with no issues at all. Looks like a nice spirited ride in some twisties....:thumbup:
We ride with a handful of bikes, some guys with some pretty fast sport bikes. The spyder handles in that sport touring bike category.