2 jerks

[Peter Aawen]

No it is NOT. :yes:

Absolutely, positively the bike rider is the immediate cause of the crash.

Regardless of what happened before, it does NOT give him license to do something dangerous and illegal.

Actually, there's a pretty good case to argue that whatever the motorcyclist did, from what we've seen he DID NOT at any time use or attempt to use his vehicle as a weapon & therefore is arguably NOT the 'cause of the collision'.... & I reckon that most courts &/or juries would have a hard time justifying comparing a person kicking out at a a car as being anywhere near an 'assault with a deadly weapon', while a driver using their vehicle to attempt to run another road user, on a motorcycle or anything else, into the concrete divider IS such an assault!! :lecturef_smilie: Just sayin'

 

[mowin]

No it is NOT. :yes:

Absolutely, positively the bike rider is the immediate cause of the crash.

Regardless of what happened before, it does NOT give him license to do something dangerous and illegal.

Exactly... :thumbup:

Anyone who thinks he was justified in attacking the car is just as crazy as he was.

And like I mentioned before, the POS never stopped. Im hope the cops caught up to him. Love to know the rest of the story..

 

[Bob Denman]

Nobody in here has enough facts to argue this situation any further...

 

[ARtraveler]

"THEY" are out there. Be careful. :yes:

 

[coastrider]

Intentionally trying to hit a motorcycle with your car is attempted murder.

 

[Easy Rider]

Nobody in here has enough facts to argue this situation any further...

If that was a requirement for posting in places like this.......about 80% of the content would immediately disappear.
:clap:

 

[TicketBait]

View attachment 149995

Nobody in here has enough facts to argue this situation any further...

The person who videotaped this was interviewed by the LA Times.

here is that article
"In an interview with The Times on Friday, Chris Traber, 47, of Santa Clarita, said both men appeared to play a role in the harrowing incident.It was about 5:45 a.m. Wednesday when Traber was in the passenger seat of his coworker’s car as they drove to work at a utility company in Burbank. They were headed southbound on the 14 Freeway, and driving in the No. 1 lane, when the man on a Harley Davidson-type motorcycle passed them on the left, riding close to the double-yellow lines that separate the general traffic lanes from the HOV lanes.
About 150 feet ahead was a Nissan sedan driving in the HOV lane, Traber said. Just as the motorcyclist was passing the sedan on the right-hand side, the sedan tried to exit the carpool lane and enter the No. 1 lane. That’s when the car bumped the bike.
“I’m sure he didn’t see the motorcyclist,” Traber said of the driver. “He scared the living daylights out of the motorcyclist. He almost went down. That guy can really handle his bike.”

Traber said that after the motorcyclist regained control, he pulled up to the car’s passenger door and began gesturing at the driver. Traber said he appeared to be saying something too, but Traber couldn’t hear him. He said he figured the biker was “saying something like, hey, you almost hit me! Watch out!”
Traber said it looked as though the driver was yelling something back at the biker, and that it didn’t help matters, because that’s when the motorcyclist started kicking the passenger door.
“I said, ‘Wow, man, something’s going to happen. I gotta get this,’” Traber said. “So I grab my phone and started recording.”
The motorcyclist then swooped behind the sedan, pulled up along the driver side and kicked the car again, Traber said. In a flash, the driver of the sedan swerved hard left and sideswiped the motorcyclist, almost sending him barreling into a concrete freeway divider, he said.
“As you can see, he lost control after doing that,” Traber said of the driver.
The video captured the chaos that ensued. After bumping the motorcyclist, the car swerved right, and then left, and collided with the concrete divider in a shower of sparks and flame. The car then ricocheted off the divider, veered across the freeway and slammed into a Cadillac truck, flipping it over onto its roof.
The motorcyclist, meanwhile, had slowed down and managed to avoid the bumper, glass and debris from the sedan’s crash and rode off. Traber said he and his coworker, along with a handful of other drivers, stopped to help.
Bystanders pulled the truck’s driver, an elderly man, out of the truck and helped him to the side of the freeway, Traber said. The driver of the sedan was apologizing to the man profusely, he said. The driver of the truck was hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries, the CHP said.
The CHP is handling the investigation and did not cite the driver of the sedan. Investigators need to interview the motorcyclist to get the whole story before any decisions are made, officials said. The case is now considered a hit-and-run.
Traber said he does not know how the video ended up online. He said he sent it to his family and a few coworkers, and that it served as a lesson.
“I think the fault was just both parties letting their emotions get the best of them,” Traber said. “This is what happens when you lose control.”

 

[mowin]

View attachment 149995

Nobody in here has enough facts to argue this situation any further...

Sorry Bob, but going by the facts we do have, the MC rider is a :cus:.

 

[Lew L]

I think the title of this thread says is all.

Kaos

 

[Bob Denman]

Sorry Bob, but going by the facts we do have, the MC rider is a :cus:.

Now that T.B. has given us something work with: I fully agree with you! :thumbup:

But if stupid was water: they could BOTH flood the Planet! nojoke

 

[Easy Rider]

Sorry Bob, but going by the facts we do have, the MC rider is a :cus:.

The bike rider was speeding and "lane surfing"......most likely given the story.

The car driver likely was doing NOTHING wrong, if he signaled the lane change.

AND.......people are ASSuming that the car's abrupt swerve to the left was intentional on the drivers part.....but I'm not so sure.
Heavy bike and rider applying a hard kick to the rear of a small car could result in a "pit technique" deflection of the back of the car......maybe.

 

[Bob Denman]

Heavy bike and rider applying a hard kick to the rear of a small car could result in a "pit technique" deflection of the back of the car......maybe.

:shocked: It would have to be a kick that would make any Mule in the Country proud... nojoke

 

[RinconRyder]

Heavy bike and rider applying a hard kick to the rear of a small car could result in a "pit technique" deflection of the back of the car......maybe.

No. Not even close.

 

[Easy Rider]

No. Not even close.

You know no such thing.

All it would take is a slight deflection and then an over-reaction by the driver.

 

[Bob Denman]

Then it's NOT the kick: it's just the loose nut behind the wheel causing the car to veer off it's intended course...

 

[RinconRyder]

You know no such thing.

All it would take is a slight deflection and then an over-reaction by the driver.

Ah, but I do. Unless the car was driving on ice and wearing slippery tires there is no way a kick from a bike-mounted person could send the rear end of the car sideways. It would take at least several hundred pounds of force and almost a complete absence of tire friction to make something like that happen and the kick would have to arrived upon the cage as far rearward as possible. I think the video is pretty clear the biker kicked the cage driver's door and I estimate the kick may have made a minor dent in the cage sheet metal.

I believe the cage driver attempted to hit the biker and swerved into his lane but over-steered and lost control thus hitting the center barrier. It's just an opinion based on the video available but I once witnessed a sport bike t-bone a small econo-box car at high speed hitting the car in the passenger door. Following the crash, in which both drivers were killed, the car remained in the straight ahead position. No detectable deflection at all.

 

[RinconRyder]

Then it's NOT the kick: it's just the loose nut behind the wheel causing the car to veer off it's intended course...

We can speculate but either one of two things happened:

The kick surprised the car driver and he yanked the steering wheel or he saw the bike and heard/felt the kick and decided to run the biker into the center barrier.

It isn't that difficult to spin a car traveling at freeway speeds. Just last week I witness another idiot in a blue Corvette try to cut in front of another car and do about 3-4 complete loops down the center lane of I-17. Luckily, no other cars were close or there could have been a massive pile-up. Given the massive meaty tires on that Vette I would not have thought it would spin on dry payment that easily but apparently it is.