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100% Pure Gas
- Thread starter Brian Kay
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I have always used regular gas in my GW and Spyders. I put three ounces of the cheapest gas additive Wal Mart sells in every other tank fill. There is a place close by who sells "real gas" @ $3+ a gallon. I filled yesterday @ $1.61. I have never told Mr. Cognac about "real gas" and he thinks that he gets vitamins from the corn juice in his regular gas. He loves it and runs like a hose! :clap:
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pegasus1300
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"He loves it and runs like a hose! " Now that I gotta see:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
Sorry I just couldn't resist.
Sorry I just couldn't resist.
Gray Ghost
New member
Ethanol starts to separate from the gasoline between two weeks to 90 days after it is added to the fuel. Non-ethanol gas is a lot more user friendly being stored for a period of time than ethanol crap.
pure-gas.org is crowd sourced, please let them know of the errors.
GeorgiaBill
New member
What station in Acworth
Hey Brian what station is that. Being new I guess it's not in PURE-GAS?
I've used S A White Oil Co here in Marietta (90 octane) but they are not easy to pump and then pay with some walking required.
I called Jenny's Food Mart at 5890 Glade Rd yesterday - $2.75 quoted for Valero 90 and I will be real close to them next week.
I think I might also try Star Tron mentioned by Mike above.
Hey Brian what station is that. Being new I guess it's not in PURE-GAS?
I've used S A White Oil Co here in Marietta (90 octane) but they are not easy to pump and then pay with some walking required.
I called Jenny's Food Mart at 5890 Glade Rd yesterday - $2.75 quoted for Valero 90 and I will be real close to them next week.
I think I might also try Star Tron mentioned by Mike above.
Dennis in Lodi
Member
My dyno experience with available fuels
I probably have over $20,000 invested in Dyno testing my many racing and stree machines. The difference in results have surprised me.
1. Best dyno results come from BUSY gas stations with fresh fuels at 87 octane. As much as 2 peak horse over other stations with slower fuel change overs.
2. I LOOSE 5 peak HP on EVERY Dyno test with PURE non ethanol fuel that is at least 92 and up octane.
3. In as little as 500 miles you can hand me the motor heads off ANY motor and I can tell you what type of fuel has been run in it. The cleanest heads will be the PURE fuel with no ethanol. Those pure fuel heads compare to new in how clean they are.
4. The worst motor heads are the slower fuel stations with 10% ethanol @ 87 octane. They can vary from disgusting to unbelievable in just 500 miles. Stale gas equals bad gas.
5. Fuel additives have a remarkable effect on how clean my motor heads are on take down.
Here is my personal input on how I use fuel.
For my machines where performance is not an issue, ( RT Spyder) I use only PURE fuel with no Ethanol. Since I know the fuel is pure, I DO NOT USE ADDITIVES. Simply not needed.
Combustion chamber temperatures run 5 degrees cooler and more with pure fuel. Coooler combustions temps = longer engine life.
For my Street machines where performane is an issue I use 87 octane, 10% Ethanol from the BUSY gas station with the long lines at the pump and counter. I USE ADDITIVES IN EVERY TANK for this fuel.
Hope this helps
I probably have over $20,000 invested in Dyno testing my many racing and stree machines. The difference in results have surprised me.
1. Best dyno results come from BUSY gas stations with fresh fuels at 87 octane. As much as 2 peak horse over other stations with slower fuel change overs.
2. I LOOSE 5 peak HP on EVERY Dyno test with PURE non ethanol fuel that is at least 92 and up octane.
3. In as little as 500 miles you can hand me the motor heads off ANY motor and I can tell you what type of fuel has been run in it. The cleanest heads will be the PURE fuel with no ethanol. Those pure fuel heads compare to new in how clean they are.
4. The worst motor heads are the slower fuel stations with 10% ethanol @ 87 octane. They can vary from disgusting to unbelievable in just 500 miles. Stale gas equals bad gas.
5. Fuel additives have a remarkable effect on how clean my motor heads are on take down.
Here is my personal input on how I use fuel.
For my machines where performance is not an issue, ( RT Spyder) I use only PURE fuel with no Ethanol. Since I know the fuel is pure, I DO NOT USE ADDITIVES. Simply not needed.
Combustion chamber temperatures run 5 degrees cooler and more with pure fuel. Coooler combustions temps = longer engine life.
For my Street machines where performane is an issue I use 87 octane, 10% Ethanol from the BUSY gas station with the long lines at the pump and counter. I USE ADDITIVES IN EVERY TANK for this fuel.
Hope this helps
Brian Kay
New member
Guys, I am so sorry for this late response...didn't check SL for a while back in early January. Nonetheless, there are two stations just 2 to 3 miles north of the City of Acworth (on Main St. or some call it Old Hwy 41), but the one I go to is at the corner of Main St. (old Hwy 41) and 3rd Army Rd. The station is called "Lee's Grocery" and they have a separate pump/hose just for Pure Gas...not shared with the other fuels, so no mixing of ethanol. The price is hovering around $2.70 to $3.00 per gallon for the 90 octane with an approximate 4.5 gallon fill up. So is the extra $5 worth it for each fill up? And is it worth it to drive out of your way to baby your girl.
Bill, you could have stopped on your way to or back from Cartersville. if you look at a map it's not too far off of I-75 and it's a great two lane road with an awesome view of Lake Allatoona in one location. I'm going to snap a picture next time I'm out-n-about.
Brian Kay
New member
OK Bob, I've only filled up three times so far (including the initial fill up in late Dec.)...yes, not enough riding I know! And had to use the battery charger because my girl sat without any attention for about 3+ weeks back in February.
This is what I recorded:
Fill Up #1 initial fill up
Fill Up #2 3.501 gallons 130.6 recorded miles
MPG Calc A = 37.3 MPG Note: more weekend, recreational driving, highway miles, etc.
Fill Up #3 4.928 gallons 125.5 recorded miles
MPG Calc B = 25.7 MPG Note: more daily commuting in ATL traffic (stop-n-go primarily - pure city driving)
Average = 30.38 MPG - NO DIFFERENCE IN WHAT I WAS GETTING BEFORE WITH THE 93 OCTANE (10% Ethanol)
Please note that I keep the Tachometer on the high side...RPM's in the high 3- low 5K range. Yes, I have the 1330 triple so I don't have to do that but I like to have some fun and goose it sometimes (usually every ride, lol). Not sure what I could get if I kept the RPM's in the 2-3K range or wherever the "eco mode" tells you to be??? I really don't care because the gas is the cheap part of owning a Spyder, lol.
GeorgiaBill
New member
Lee's Grocery
I'll check them out next time I'm in Acworth.
-Bill
I'll check them out next time I'm in Acworth.
-Bill
Devious56
New member
Bob, I have a 2015 RT Limited, and usually get about 4 mpg more with non-ethanol gas. I now have had 4 tankfuls over 43 mpg, and those were not particularly looking for gas mileage, but just riding.
David
Jetfixer
Well-known member
Ethanol in gas is terrible for machines that were not specifically built to use it. Even if a given engine is certified for some percentage (usually 10% max) ethanol, the drawbacks to ethanol are huge. For instance, ethanol is hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water out of the air. Anyone living in a remotely humid environment will find some water in their tanks after a short while. Also, ethanol has a very short "shelf life". If not used in approx 60 days, it undergoes "phase separation", which is a chemical degradation process. It CANNOT simply be stirred back up. It will not recombine. Ethanol is corrosive to most metals. The higher the concentration, the more corrosive. It is illegal under federal law to use ethanol fuels in any concentration in any aircraft or marine engine. Take that as a clue. Those are machines that would cause great inconveniences if their engines failed at the wrong time. Also, ethanol contains less heat energy (BTU's) by volume than straight gasoline. approx. 23% less. You WILL get better gas mileage on straight gas.
I am in the non-ethanol camp. I've been using it in the bikes, when I can find it.
The lawn equipment seems to suffer the most. I've had to replace the carbs on the blower, chainsaw and the string trimmer. All three were fueled using ethanol gas with Seafoam and Oil to a mix of 50:1. The equipment was always allowed to run dry before being put away. Even with that routine, the carbs would be gummed up to the point that they were unusable after two seasons. Last year, I switched to ethanol free gas. We will see how long it takes to gum them up.
The chipper is a four stroke Honda engine. I had used it for two days in Feb then put it away until last week. There is a fuel shut off so it was allowed to run dry. When I attempted to start it up, it would not catch. After fussing with it for a bit, I decided to pull the fuel and replace it. Well, the tank must have been filled off an ethanol fuel because it had about a 1/2 gallon of water in a 2 gallon tank. I don't think that I could buy enough Heet to soak up that amount of water. It started right up after fresh gas was added.
The lawn equipment seems to suffer the most. I've had to replace the carbs on the blower, chainsaw and the string trimmer. All three were fueled using ethanol gas with Seafoam and Oil to a mix of 50:1. The equipment was always allowed to run dry before being put away. Even with that routine, the carbs would be gummed up to the point that they were unusable after two seasons. Last year, I switched to ethanol free gas. We will see how long it takes to gum them up.
The chipper is a four stroke Honda engine. I had used it for two days in Feb then put it away until last week. There is a fuel shut off so it was allowed to run dry. When I attempted to start it up, it would not catch. After fussing with it for a bit, I decided to pull the fuel and replace it. Well, the tank must have been filled off an ethanol fuel because it had about a 1/2 gallon of water in a 2 gallon tank. I don't think that I could buy enough Heet to soak up that amount of water. It started right up after fresh gas was added.
oldguyinTX
New member
Closet place to me is in Fairfield CT 100% pure gas, 94 octane, $15.00/gallon.:yikes:
Buckeye Bleau
New member
Ethanol?
As eluded to in other posts here, the Ethanol has been shoved down our throats.
As my coworkers from other countries ask, "Why do you Americans want to burn your food, when so many others could eat it?"
Hmmmm:yikes::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
As eluded to in other posts here, the Ethanol has been shoved down our throats.
As my coworkers from other countries ask, "Why do you Americans want to burn your food, when so many others could eat it?"
Hmmmm:yikes::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
stillriding
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SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
New member
too bad we can't sue the state for forcing us to use a defective product
BajaRon
Well-known member
Ethanol is truly a bad deal.
It costs more to make a gallon of ethanol fuel than it does a gallon of pure gas.
It takes more oil to make a gallon of ethanol fuel than it does to make a gallon of pure gas.
Ethanol destroys just about anything that it is left in very long.
It takes more ethanol fuel to go the same distance as does pure gas.
We are burning perfectly good food to achieve all these negatives.
So, why do we have it? Farmers make money, politicians get elected, and people think they are saving the planet (2 out of these 3 are true).
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