I'm still looking to get a Spyder, most likely an RT but have a question. Considering the 10 year law for parts that manufacturers are required to abide by. Will a 2014 RT with the 1330 engine still have available engine/transmission parts into at least 2036? My thinking is the same engine is being used in the 2026 models therefore 10 years from now parts should still be available.
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10 year parts law - will parts for the 1330 engine/trans still be available into 2036?
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Snoking1127
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What I see as an issue, is finding a dealer/other to plug in BUDS to check out an electrically/electronics problem as a machine ages. My buddy and I both had display software updated on 2018's back in early 2021. Fast forward to last year and I had major problems getting it updated on another 2018 I bought.
That's not something I had thought of. In my experience, last year, while looking at a 2014 ST at a local dealer, they told me up front there was an idling issue and insisted I hear it run. I had told them I just wanted to sit on it to get the comfort level. It had a very erratic idle they were concerned about and due to its age, the ECU may not be fixable. It has since been fixed and is back on their web page. I don't know what the problem was. It could have been a mouse nest in the exhaust for all I know.
Snoking1127
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Mechanically the Spyder 1330 motor and transmission are near bullet proof.
What model 2014 are you talking about? The 2014 RT has the 3 cylinder 1330 engine, but the 2014 ST has the 2 cylinder 998 engine.
BajaRon
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Probably dirty injectors. We see that a lot. Especially with customers that lug their engines. Which is also quite common.
We have had some issues finding parts for the pre-2013 machines. But it isn't nearly as bad as the dealerships make it out to be. You have to understand, from their perspective, if BRP no longer makes the part, then it's 'Not Available'. In reality, there are a good number of used parts readily available. We've had good luck with used parts. For many items, used is as good as new. You just have to move outside of the 'Dealership' box to access them. Not something that everyone wants to do, I understand.
Redbeard
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I have heard this same quote all my life. And I used to believe it also.
Per Steve Lehto, Consumer Attorney (and on Youtube), specializing in the Lemon Law in Michigan, there is not a law that says this.
Can you share where this statute is located?
I have owned two Spyders over the past five years, and for me this would not be an issue. But then, I have never required to go to a dealer except to purchase a Spyder.
Per Steve Lehto, Consumer Attorney (and on Youtube), specializing in the Lemon Law in Michigan, there is not a law that says this.
Can you share where this statute is located?
I have owned two Spyders over the past five years, and for me this would not be an issue. But then, I have never required to go to a dealer except to purchase a Spyder.
jcthorne
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You are right and its more of an industry norm not a law. For some specialty vehicles manufactures have even used it as a sales pitch or promise to new owners. When I bought my Ford GT in 2006, there was an express written promise from FMC to keep all parts available for ten yrs. I can tell you in 2016 when that came to an end, many parts skyrocketed in price as they became scarce and is major reason I sold the car in 2016. I know that promise cost Ford dearly along the way. Headlights for the car went out of stock and the original manufacture lost the tooling and Ford paid Sylvania millions to redevelop the original HID headlights....to only sell a few dozen replacements. But Ford honored its commitment. And no longer.
Generally manufactures keep parts in inventory as long as they are profitable to do so. Some parts for 1964 Mustangs are still available new from Ford as they still sell and are cheap to reorder. When parts stocks run low, a procurement decision has to be made based on cost to restock vs projected sales volumes in the parts departments.
blacklightning
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I have found this to be so true. Back around 2000 I was restoring my '73 Plymouth Road Runner and upgrading the 318 engine to a built 440. I knew this was doable because the 440 was a factory option. When I was looking for a radiator the aftermarkets were priced super high. So one day I walked into Advanced Auto and asked for a radiator for a '73 Road Runner with the factory 440. To my surprise they were able to get me one by the next day. Mounted perfectly and worked great.
It was the ST limited with the twin. It sure sounded good for a stock exhaust, I'll say that.
My wife and I each have BMW Z3's. A '97 and an '01, parts are hard to find for them. Used is the only option sometimes.
Mikey
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When you're dealing with old iron the thing you have to remember is to think out of the box! And that's the part that some dealers don't want to do! That part in your hand may be used on a totally different bike; this I found out trying to help a friend with his brakes on a 2012 RT. And like Ron said above, used parts in some cases work very well!!! Think out of the box!
Little Blue
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Definitely, I have used ebay for some parts. Just be very careful about dealing with some of the vendors. Check out their reviews and ratings.
Most electronic parts are not returnable. Just the way it goes.
Happy hunting for your parts.
Most electronic parts are not returnable. Just the way it goes.
Happy hunting for your parts.
T.P.
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Last July on the way out of DEADWOOD, a deer smacked the wife' s 2020 F3 L and I got the last Liquid TI painted right front fender in North America. All of the body shops I checked with couldn't use the BRP paint codes in their paint systems, bike painters as well. A lot of the dealers had black parts only.
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jdgretz
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There is no such law at the Federal level - more of a somewhat gentleman's agreement to do so, sometimes, if they feel like it and it makes economic sense.
There are some local/State requirements. For example, California used to require the batteries in EVs and Hybrids to be warrantied for 10 years or 100,000 miles. I think that has been backed down to 8-years in some instances, but don't quote me on that.
However, there is a NHTSA rule that in the event of a safety-related defect or non-compliance with a safety standard, manufacturers must provide a remedy without charge to consumers for eight years after purchase - https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/1922y
jdg
Yowzer
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I once found an oil plug for a Honda motorcycle at a small engine shop. I think the same part was used in a Honda generator or lawn mower or something.
Well that's not good. I wonder what the difference is with paint codes? There is always the option of a wrap, I guess.
Gwolf
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Many of the parts used on brand name equipment are sourced from some company that only builds that particular item. The part numbers don't always match because the maker and seller of the brand name equipment change the part number and may even stamp it or request it be stamped during the manufacturing process to match their own parts numbering system. If you get those parts from the original manufacturer of them, they will be referred to as after-market parts, even though they may still be used in new equipment, maybe made in different areas of the world or possibly some vehicle not even remotely similar. In the past many other countries have purchased the manufacturing equipment and began producing vehicles or other mechanical equipment considered obsolete by the original maker, or just out of style. Those vehicles produced in the countries using stamps and dies from obsolete or out of style of the original country would still have parts that would be the same as the older vehicles of the original country.
My tractor is around 20 years old. The water pump recently went out on it. The people who work on that brand have the information on the part numbers that are still in production somewhere. They will order the needed item, but it often causes a delay of several weeks to get it, and they will call it an aftermarket replacement, when it is really the exact same item as the original on my tractor when it was new, just being used on a different diesel engine, maybe on a different brand of tractor now.
Developing countries often acquire manufacturing equipment for "out of style" American vehicles to produce affordable, durable transportation long after the models have been discontinued in the United States. This process, often involving the transfer of entire assembly lines or technical blueprints, allows these nations to skip expensive research and development.
The following countries and regions have historically used equipment or designs for older American-style vehicles:
- Buick Skylark and Chevrolet Nova: Assembled by Pars Khodro (formerly GM Iran) using original equipment through the late 1970s and 1980s.
- Cadillac Seville: Iran was the only country outside the US to host an assembly line for this luxury sedan.
- Jeep CJ Series: Produced locally as the "Jeep Shahbaz" using Willys/Jeep equipment.
- Egypt
: Utilized aging European and American designs for local assembly through state-owned companies like Nasr Automotive Manufacturing Company. - Mexico
: Often referred to as "Detroit South," Mexico has maintained production of older-generation American truck and van models (such as certain Ram and Ford chassis) primarily for local commercial use or export to other developing markets. - Uzbekistan
: While primarily producing South Korean designs, the UzAuto Motors plant (formerly a GM joint venture) continued manufacturing older Chevrolet models like the Nexia and Lacetti using equipment and platforms retired from the US and Korea. - Cuba
: While not for new manufacturing, Cuba is the global hub for repurposing out-of-style US vehicles. Approximately 60,000 vintage American cars are kept running through ingenious local engineering and parts scavenged from other sources.
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