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What do you see different about this F3?

Lamonster

Lamonster

SpyderLovers Founder
Okay F3 guys, what do you see different about this F3?

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mirror?

left hand mirror looks odd but that could be just the fact that I need new reading glasses :roflblack:
 
That's what caught my eye also... the sprocket? :dontknow:

We were looking at how they mount to the rear wheel, while I was getting a new rear tire installed. Do both the RT, and F-3 sprockets actually interchange?
 
loisk said:
Do you mean our "beautiful", "delicate" rear indicators on their martian antennae ??
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Welcome to the wonderful world of European regulations!
These are our hideous rear blinkers...

Loisk, it's a French numberplate! But from your comment I understand that Australia was also blessed with this beautiful statement of modern design 😜
 
It's an EU model with the smaller sprocket and turn signals. I would guess it would also have the auxiliary lights, too.

Wayne
 
At a closer look :maybe it's not French...
Anyhoo...As soon as I get my F3 the blinkers are the first thing to go!!!!
 
If it's the rear sprocket... Why would they do that? More acceleration and less top speed?
Considering that we don't have a speedlimit on the Autobahn (at least on a couple): I feel cheated!
 
Wippi01 said:
If it's the rear sprocket... Why would they do that? More acceleration and less top speed?
Considering that we don't have a speedlimit on the Autobahn (at least on a couple): I feel cheated!
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You have less acceleration but more speed, better mileage of fuel and tires I would expect too. ;)
 
Couple of things...

Here if you get a flat you can ryde home on the belt...:roflblack: turn signals for sure and interesting. Clear centers with red rims and amber bulbs. How do they work..? Red as brake and or running lights..? Amber as turn and emergency flashers..? :dontknow:
 
indicators and sprockets

Those indicators are JUST indicators/hazards - brake light is totally separate - we in Oz can't have indicators in our brake lights as in USA, and indicators must be amber lights. The red on the indicators is JUST a reflector. My ST no longer has these style-nightmares, so I had to add extra reflectors to comply with our regs. The next query is - why are they mounted on the antennae? Well (a) they seem to have read the regs to apply to trikes, which regs presume 2 wheels at the back and so specify that the indicators need to be further apart... and (b) they SAY it's to allow for panniers... Either way I feel sorry for the can am stylists who go to all that trouble to get the good "look" only to see these add-ons which result in a very strange look... I think I would have put up with the table-tennis-bat indicators if they were not mounted on the clumsy arms!

Sprockets - yes, Australia and other countries get a different sprocket/belt. I can't work out whether they are different (a) to suit the US market or (b) to comply with all other markets.
 
Australian Design Rules

loisk said:
Those indicators are JUST indicators/hazards - brake light is totally separate - we in Oz can't have indicators in our brake lights as in USA, and indicators must be amber lights. The red on the indicators is JUST a reflector. My ST no longer has these style-nightmares, so I had to add extra reflectors to comply with our regs. The next query is - why are they mounted on the antennae? Well (a) they seem to have read the regs to apply to trikes, which regs presume 2 wheels at the back and so specify that the indicators need to be further apart... and (b) they SAY it's to allow for panniers... Either way I feel sorry for the can am stylists who go to all that trouble to get the good "look" only to see these add-ons which result in a very strange look... I think I would have put up with the table-tennis-bat indicators if they were not mounted on the clumsy arms!

Sprockets - yes, Australia and other countries get a different sprocket/belt. I can't work out whether they are different (a) to suit the US market or (b) to comply with all other markets.
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Hi,
BRP gurus advised me (when I visited BRP Sydney headquarters in Botany when the first F3S arrived) that they had to keep the sprocket the same as the RT to comply with Australian Design Rules. Specifically to keep the decibels down at given speeds. I have put imported cars through the same compliance procedure and the vehicle/bike has to be below specific decibels accelerating and decelerating at specific speeds. It is a very expensive and time consuming procedure to pass.
I am replacing the large armed indicators with the smaller Australian ones on RS ST. I will be at the Asia Pacific official launch in The Rocks Sydney 12 May and I will be asking a few more questions.
For USA it would cost you about $1,000 to convert to smaller sprocket, guards etc etc but it would be useless as Europe and Australia get a totally differently programmed nanny. I asked BRP, as I wanted the USA go quicker version. We get the go faster better fuel economy version, but get there slower.
See theoretical tables below Kilometres per hour. Like to see how close BRP got to the real speeds???? (homework for OJ).
Obviously theoretical usually does not equate to reality nothing will go 8000rpm in top gear (maybe off a cliff).
Like to see how quickly the F3s gets to some speeds?

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