risers and turns

[jeuchler]

I...In regards to safety and centripetal force, lower center of gravity rules...being upright does have its pros and cons...

Bone crusher -

Thanks so much for writing "centripetal force."

"Centrifugal force" makes your wallet on your truck dashboard slide right when you turn left. (A pseudo or fake force. There's nothing pushing it to the right. The wallet just want's to keep traveling straight, and is trying to while you turn.) No such a thing.

Centripetal force pulls an object in toward the center. It's what's keeping us on earth as it spins (supplied by gravity), it's what keeps a yo-yo from flying off (supplied by string tension) when you do a walk the dog, and it's why Spyderryders shift their weight forward and down--like they're riding a snowmobile--when they take a turn hard.

By the way, the fried oatmeal and pickles you ate with milk made you "nauseated" not "nauseous." If you are nauseous then you are making me sick.

Thank you. I'm am now done with my English grammar rant. This post may now be moved to the OT folder with my other posts...:joke:

 

[jeuchler]

much better and i drive this thing like an idiot ..... thinking about velcro pants and seat ......

Velcro pants are awesome. :doorag:

 

[wyliec]

Bone crusher -

Thanks so much for writing "centripetal force."

"Centrifugal force" makes your wallet on your truck dashboard slide right when you turn left. (A pseudo or fake force. There's nothing pushing it to the right. The wallet just want's to keep traveling straight, and is trying to while you turn.) No such a thing.

Centripetal force pulls an object in toward the center. It's what's keeping us on earth as it spins (supplied by gravity), it's what keeps a yo-yo from flying off (supplied by string tension) when you do a walk the dog, and it's why Spyderryders shift their weight forward and down--like they're riding a snowmobile--when they take a turn hard.

By the way, the fried oatmeal and pickles you ate with milk made you "nauseated" not "nauseous." If you are nauseous then you are making me sick.

Thank you. I'm am now done with my English grammar rant. This post may now be moved to the OT folder with my other posts...:joke:

Check this out:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nauseous

 

[jeuchler]

Check this out:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nauseous

Yeah, they're wrong.

Except for the part where they contradict themselves. That part's correct.

It's like the difference between flammable and inflammable--boy, I learned that one the hard way...

 

[wingnut]

I'm thinking about risers; but, after bonecrusher's comment below I'm not sure.

"Like a two-wheeler and even more-so, lean forward and into the turn...you won't have any issues with your turns...sit upright and you risk problems...this is one reason as to why I won't get high riser bars...they raise your center of gravity and can make you unstable...you can't lower yourself and lean enough when taking a sharp ramp off a highway or some other sharp turn..."

Anyone care to comment?

get the risers:2thumbs:

 

[mike3069]

I recently bought a 2008 spyder PE #1031/SM5 and am thinking about putting a riser on it. Question is how do I know if my spyder has a 1" BRP riser already? Do you buy them that way or do you have to install it yourself? Why does it need a 1" riser in order to put a lets say 3" riser on? Trying to figure this out
Thanks for any info. anyone might have. :shocked:

welcome
The BRP riser is a 1" lift. If it is hard to see any of the streeing shaft between the bottom of the handlebar assembly and the Spyder bodywork, you don't have one. If you can see about an inch of the steering shaft in this area you have one.

If you have one, you order the 3" NMN risers.

If you don't have one you order the 4" NMN risers.

You cannot use the 4" NMN risers AND the BRP 1" riser togeather and I can see no reason you would only want the 3" NMN riser without the BRP 1" already installed.

Hope this helps.

 

[bone crusher]

Bone crusher -

Thanks so much for writing "centripetal force."

"Centrifugal force" makes your wallet on your truck dashboard slide right when you turn left. (A pseudo or fake force. There's nothing pushing it to the right. The wallet just want's to keep traveling straight, and is trying to while you turn.) No such a thing.

Centripetal force pulls an object in toward the center. It's what's keeping us on earth as it spins (supplied by gravity), it's what keeps a yo-yo from flying off (supplied by string tension) when you do a walk the dog, and it's why Spyderryders shift their weight forward and down--like they're riding a snowmobile--when they take a turn hard.

By the way, the fried oatmeal and pickles you ate with milk made you "nauseated" not "nauseous." If you are nauseous then you are making me sick.

Thank you. I'm am now done with my English grammar rant. This post may now be moved to the OT folder with my other posts...:joke:

Since you started, I'll come atcha (for fun of course)...don't give an English grammar rant if you have mistakes, tough guy!

'No such a thing' ain't proper grammar...

As far as our physics lesson for the day, centrifugal force is more abstract and is not a proven force as is centripetal force...there are formulations for centripetal force if you wish to go through them all. Calc. based physics was a looooong time ago for me, so I won't go too far on that topic...

As far as pickles and the like, save them for your hamburger...fried oatmeal'?? Yuck... As far as your nauseating vs. nauseous argument goes, you're wrong there too...what dictionaries have you written lately?

Okay, enough...let's go out and ride our bikes and have fun that way...if you wanna eat a pickle and fried oatmeal while you ride, that's your prerogative.

 

[Lamonster]

Okay, enough...let's go out and ride our bikes and have fun that way...if you wanna eat a pickle and fried oatmeal while you ride, that's your prerogative.

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[bone crusher]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Cute...kinda...

 

[Latemarch]

Velcro pants are awesome. :doorag:

Actually.....not!

I put some Armorall on the seat to make it just a bit more slippery and find that it allows me to shift in the seat to the inside of the curve better.nojoke

Still raising the inside wheel, and triggering nanny....... will have to add the Evoluzione anti sway bar to the spyder next.:2thumbs:

Anyone else find having a slipperier seat a benifit?

 

[bone crusher]

Actually.....not!

I put some Armorall on the seat to make it just a bit more slippery and find that it allows me to shift in the seat to the inside of the curve better.nojoke

Still raising the inside wheel, and triggering nanny....... will have to add the Evoluzione anti sway bar to the spyder next.:2thumbs:

Anyone else find having a slipperier seat a benifit?

Raising the inside wheel? :hun:

 

[tatt2r]

Actually.....not!

I put some Armorall on the seat to make it just a bit more slippery and find that it allows me to shift in the seat to the inside of the curve better.nojoke

Still raising the inside wheel, and triggering nanny....... will have to add the Evoluzione anti sway bar to the spyder next.:2thumbs:

Anyone else find having a slipperier seat a benifit?

I don't see how a slippery seat is better I'm really thinking about having Corbin covered in a non slippery material

 

[Bimjo]

Anyone else find having a slipperier seat a benifit?

Let's talk after the first time you need to panic stop with that nice slippery seat. I have a feeling your voice may be a tad higher than it is now.

Don't ask me how I know that. :roflblack:

 

[bone crusher]

Let's talk after the first time you need to panic stop with that nice slippery seat. I have a feeling your voice may be a tad higher than it is now.

Don't ask me how I know that. :roflblack:

Ouch...I prefer to be 'stuck on' my seat as well...when on a sharp turn, I like the feel of being stable on the bike...sliding around isn't for me....maybe for others, but not for me...

 

[DynamoBT]

I kind of like that the stock seat is "tacky" feeling.

When I rode horses I intentionally wore fabric breeches that were slippery against the saddle. I figured if my butt didn' slide around when I rode day to day, in competition when I wore tacky breeches I'd feel absolutely glued to the horse. The Spyder seat feels a lot like a saddle to me. I like it.

 

[BajaRon]

I have the NMN risers and they are an excellent upgrade to the stock handlebars.

I like to ride hard (which comes in handy trying to keep up with Lamont) and these risers really help. They give me more leverage and overall control. It's hard to describe unless you've ridden with them. Kind of like bumping up the power steering effect with added control.

Actually, I wasn't really dissappointed with the stock bars. I probably never would have switched if Lamont had not been so impressed with his.

After he installed his risers I sat on his bike. I thought that they felt good and they definitely look awesome.

When I got mine I realized that you don't really get the full effect just sitting on the bike.

As soon as I took off down the driveway I knew this was a great improvement over stock. I was surprised how much more natural and comfortable the riding position was. The improvement is even more noticable on a long ride.

Another thing I like about these risers is they are not a 1 size fits all approach. Unlike many pull-back/riser products, this one is really adjustable. You can rotate the risers to get just the right combination of elevation + setback you need.

Thanks NMM...another great product that really works! :thumbup:

 

[Smylinacha]

Comments, yeah I got some.

One thing I have decided after 14000 miles is the Spyder is NOT a motorcycle. Doesn't lean, no counter steer etc. Comparisons of a Spyder to a motor cycle are like apples and oranges.

If you want to compare it to something with similar handling characteristics, you need to look at snowmobiles. Remember, the first prototype was an SkiDoo MXZ snowmobile with ski's and track replaced by wheels. That is where the Spyder's heritage lies. And when you do that, you can cross reference fairly reliably as to what a change like bar risers will get you.

Years ago on snowmobiles I discovered that bar risers gave me MUCH more control over my weight distribution and consiquently better overall handling of the machine, especially in tricky or adverse conditions and aggressive riding situations. This is what I found true when I put the risers ( I have the BRP 1", installed before delivery, and the No Magic Neon 3" installed the first day available) on my Spyder also. With the weight off my hands The Spyder is MUCH easier to steer. Just like it is more twichy if your grip is not relaxed on the handlebars, if you put weight on the bars through your arms and shoulders, you feel less in control. Try steering with one hand for a while on a stock Spyder and you will quickly find it is not very comfotable. Put the bar risers on and it becomes much better and more comfotable to do this.

Because it's NOT a motorcycle, the Spyders stock riding position is not optimal for most of us. The weight you carry on the handlebars prevents you from being able to easily shift your weight from side to side in the saddle. With the risers you are able to keep your weight centered more in the saddle and therefor able to more easily transfer weight from side to side, because you are not restrained by supporting your upper body on the handlebars. When you get your weight hung out to the side (again, think snowmobile) you can really effect a change in the vehicle CG and the easier that is, to more likly you are to do it. A benefit of this is that the more you move the CG to the side the longer the nanny remains asleep and the faster you can negotiate the corners.

So my conclusion is that the bar risers are the best immediate performance gaining mod for the money available, as well as a comfort mod that makes longer rides possible and more enjoyable.

Hope this helps.

Yep - what Mike said!:agree::agree::agree::agree:

 

[Longlegs]

It's kinda funny that I see this thread tonite. I ride a snowmobile too, and have a 3 inch riser on it. (Rev) It definately helps me in the cornering. I made the realization today that I need more rise/pullback on my spyder, because I have way too much pressure on my wrists. I already have the one inch riser, but now I am wondering if I should buy the the 3 inch or take out the 1 and put on 4 inch risers? Also curious if I can save my grips. I was kinda hoping to put on a handbrake too, so I don't know how that will work out either?

 

[BajaRon]

It's kinda funny that I see this thread tonite. I ride a snowmobile too, and have a 3 inch riser on it. (Rev) It definately helps me in the cornering. I made the realization today that I need more rise/pullback on my spyder, because I have way too much pressure on my wrists. I already have the one inch riser, but now I am wondering if I should buy the the 3 inch or take out the 1 and put on 4 inch risers? Also curious if I can save my grips. I was kinda hoping to put on a handbrake too, so I don't know how that will work out either?

Not sure which way to go with the risers (1" + 3" or 4" - 1"). But I can tell you the hand brake is just fine with the riser as I've got one.

Not sure if you can save the grips. I cut mine off. There are so many great grips out there to choose from I'm not sure it's worth saving the stock ones anyway. It's another opportunity to customize your ride.

No matter which way you go I'm pretty sure you're going to love the risers.

 

[bone crusher]

Not sure which way to go with the risers (1" + 3" or 4" - 1"). But I can tell you the hand brake is just fine with the riser as I've got one.

Not sure if you can save the grips. I cut mine off. There are so many great grips out there to choose from I'm not sure it's worth saving the stock ones anyway. It's another opportunity to customize your ride.

No matter which way you go I'm pretty sure you're going to love the risers.

I spoke with Evan the other day...being I have the 1" BRP riser, he said to just go with the 3" riser on top of that...

I will give it a shake a bit down the road...once I get some other mods taken care of...

So much to buy, never enough cash...gotta flip that couch one more time to make sure I got all the change out of it!