gparr
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Yes...I have found this rebate on MANY dealer websites. Hence my offer was where is was.
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My dealer experience this morning
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Yes...I have found this rebate on MANY dealer websites. Hence my offer was where is was.
gparr
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Yes sir...I fully agree!!! I do feel like it is an honest good faith offer...from all the reading and research I have done.
gparr
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Dave called back to inform me that he only had one black left and would not be getting anymore in. Since black is not on the spouse approval list I unfortunately had to pass.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
:yes::yes::yes:This where I got mine in May, ask for Trevor , tell Him I sent you......No Shipping fee , No Set-up fee, No BS and the lowest price in the USA..Mike :2excited:
:yes::yes::yes:This where I got mine in May, ask for Trevor , tell Him I sent you......No Shipping fee , No Set-up fee, No BS and the lowest price in the USA..Mike :2excited:
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
YOU ARE NOT CORRECT
Dealers DO NOT PAY BRP for shipping.........( or for set-up either ).....if the dealer charged you, I'm sorry but you got ripped off....................The only reason I'm mentioning this is Spyderlovers need accurate information to be well armed when buying their Spyder ....JMHO......Mike :thumbup:... and if you think I'm making this up, ask your or any dealer to show you where they PAID BRP for shipping.
Dealers DO NOT PAY BRP for shipping.........( or for set-up either ).....if the dealer charged you, I'm sorry but you got ripped off....................The only reason I'm mentioning this is Spyderlovers need accurate information to be well armed when buying their Spyder ....JMHO......Mike :thumbup:... and if you think I'm making this up, ask your or any dealer to show you where they PAID BRP for shipping.
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MRH
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The price is fair if you offer it and if they accept. There are a myriad of business reasons that one dealer (or any business, for that matter) may want to sell at one price, and another may need more to make the same sale.
I would say, however, that an advertised price in one thing, and a true bottom line can be a different story.
I would say, however, that an advertised price in one thing, and a true bottom line can be a different story.
Dragonfly
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Since your in Virginia,
Call Honda House (two locations) Richmond
Fredricksburg Powersports
Brewer Cycle in Henderson NC
for a phone quote
blacklightning
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I also had great service from Curtis from Louis Powersports. I got the color I wanted, and they helped with the shipping. I think your offer was fair. I actually made the offer that I paid at Louis Powersports + $1000 to 3 local dealers (on of them actually is on this site). One of them had it on site, and still no one would work with me. I am happy with my deal, and would suggest Louis to anyone.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Somebody pays for shipping. Truckers do not haul stuff around for free. Because of the variability in the cost of shipping I have an awfully hard time believing BRP is going to build in a flat rate whether the Spyder gets delivered to Buffalo or to Los Angeles, or whether the dealer has an order for one unit or a truckload. But I suppose I could be wrong. If shipping is not built in to all the factory invoice Spyder prices in the form of a flat rate, then the dealer either reimburses BRP for shipping or they pay the trucking company directly. The latter could very well be the case. But in any case, someone pays shipping and you can be sure the buyer eventually ends up with the cost, somehow, somewhere. There ain't no free lunch in selling. This argument is predicated on the factory invoice price being the same whether it's the dealer in Buffalo or the one in Los Angeles. If the invoice is not the same for both dealers, then why would that be if it's not to reflect differences in shipping costs?
The set up fee, or dealer prep, is tacked on by the dealer and is part of the overall price the dealer works to get the buyer to pay. You can be sure the dealer will do his best to cover the labor to set up the bike, whether it is buried in the total final price he agrees to, or is a specific add-on. That is, unless the dealer is willing to move a bike at a loss just to move it. Here again, there ain't no free lunch. Either the buyer pays for it, or the dealer eats it. Sometimes a dealer will eat the set up cost because it will be offset by a year end bonus from the factory.
On average, the dealer will make enough money to sustain his business, or he will go broke and close his doors. Any money losing sale will be offset by a larger margin on another sale. What we probably will never know is what the average margin a specific dealer has to make to operate his business at the level he desires. What that margin needs to be is what separates the dealer who lives on volume vs. the one who lives on the sum of fewer individual sales, and the efficient business operator vs. the inefficient one, or the one who is in a high rent district vs. one in a low rent district.
Orange Spyder Man
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if you are willing to travel ... stick to your offer... some dealers just don't want to cut their profit margin...that's ok.. save them the trouble of depositing your money into their bank account... some dealers figure a smaller profit is better than NO PROFIT.. its to your advantage to be informed.. the internet is your best friend for getting better prices... then call the dealer.. get a signed buyer order faxed to you.. then go get it... and enjoy the ride home with a big smile of your face....
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BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
THE FEE ISSUE
Thank you WW for taking the time to give this thoughtful explanation. However my experience was different, in Apr. I bought my basic 2014 RT. I paid $3155.00 less than MSRP. I did not pay for shipping or set-up.....after they got My check and My Spyder was at the door, I was able to engage the salesman in a discussion about the how's and why's this dealership could do this kind of deal. Because elsewhere I could get a decent price BUT then they always added shipping etc....He told me .....BRP owns the trucks and the drivers are employee's ...............and the dealers are PAID by BRP to un-crate and assemble..... I have no reason to think He was making this up........I mean WHY would HE ?????.....Mike :thumbup:
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gparr
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http://baltimore.craigslist.org/mcd/4839165165.html
CAN-AM 2014 SPYDER RT LIMITED SE6 LIST $30499 SALE NOW $23999 PLUS RECEIVE A 4 YEAR WARRANTY
Just got off the phone with them - all 2014's are gone.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
Very good information above. Thanks WW for your input. :yes:
The costs of a sale are always going to be worked in whether they are in plain sight or hidden somewhere. The astute buyer just needs to be aware and do their best to get a deal that they are "happy" with when they drive the new :ani29: off the lot. For me, it is how much $ difference I end up paying. Does not matter if I saved on X or Y, or paid a little more on Z.
I consider my dealer to be "fair." I also know they need to make a profit in order to stay in business and provide good service in the future. They do sell two other brands of motorcycles (Kawasaki and Suzuki), as well as the Ski-Doo line, so they have a decent pie from which to make a profit.
The costs of a sale are always going to be worked in whether they are in plain sight or hidden somewhere. The astute buyer just needs to be aware and do their best to get a deal that they are "happy" with when they drive the new :ani29: off the lot. For me, it is how much $ difference I end up paying. Does not matter if I saved on X or Y, or paid a little more on Z.
I consider my dealer to be "fair." I also know they need to make a profit in order to stay in business and provide good service in the future. They do sell two other brands of motorcycles (Kawasaki and Suzuki), as well as the Ski-Doo line, so they have a decent pie from which to make a profit.
gparr
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Hmm..on the phone right now and they have never heard of Trevor...his name is Dillon!!!
He's trying to work a deal out for me!
PMK
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This sounds about right. It's been a year and I did not pay attention to the details after we got our machine.
I may be wrong, but I thought everything was covered in MSRP. Delivery, setup etc. This was all covered by BRP.
The DB's where we got ours wanted something stupid like 8 hours of dealer prep and a ton of money to cover it. There were no dealer installed options to even justify the time. Somehow I believe prep is, uncrate, install front wheels, install frunk (8 bolts), inspect per checklist, wash and deliver. Probably some paperwork also. So maybe 1 to 2 hours.
Find your best deal an go for it, if you wait long enough they may all be gone. Sometimes there is a fine line between frugal and dumb.
PK
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IdahoMtnSpyder
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That could be, but keep in mind the old adage, "How do you know if a salesman is lying? See if his lips are moving!"
BRP owning the trucks and drivers being employees sounds fishy. BRP very well may have contracted firms doing the deliveries though. If they owned the trucks then they would have to either dead head them back to the factory, which means delivery costs would be about double, or be a Common Carrier so they could do back hauls. Neither of those options sounds sensible to me, especially for a Canadian company for whom the US is the single biggest market. Trucking is not a lucrative business. The only company I can think of off hand that has its own trucking fleet is WalMart, and they are multiple times larger than BRP. Even Harley uses a contract carrier for their trikes, Haul Bikes.com.
If, as you say, BRP pays the dealer to assemble the bike, which I really doubt, then you can be sure that the average cost of doing so is built into the invoice price.
In the end the cost to buy a bike includes the cost of manufacturing + mfr margin to get the bike to the loading dock, then the cost of delivery from factory to dealer, the cost of getting it ready to go out the dealer's door, and the dealer's margin. On average none of these will be zero or negative or the business goes broke. On an individual unit sale, because of various circumstances like really old unsold new stock, some parts of the pricing may be negative. If the buyer can snag a deal where one of those components is taken to zero or negative then he/she will have a great deal.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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MSRP, Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, is just that, a suggested price so that the overall market will see a uniform price for a particular product. In the retail world like your local hardware store, that price is intended to be sufficient to cover the cost of delivering the product to the dealer from the wholesale stocking warehouse, the wholesale cost, and the cost and profit of operating the store. Stores are generally not required to abide by it. Some charge more, some less, although charging more is harder to do.
For a vehicle the MSRP covers the wholesale cost, sales commissions, and the cost of operating the business, like rent and salaries, and provides a uniform price level around the country. It's just good marketing and keeps people from crying favoritism. Delivery and prep are added because those are hard costs that can be tied to a specific vehicle. As you know, that's how it's done in auto sales. Theoretically, a dealer should pass on the delivery and prep with no markup on them, but who knows? If in fact, the MSRP for a Spyder is intended to cover setup and delivery then it has to be assumed that those two costs should be somewhat uniform regardless where in the country the vehicle is delivered. I'm skeptical that that is the case.
PMK
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Sorry bud, but I believe you are wrong about BRP Spyders. You condemned Mike for his source, I believe he is correct and my source is a good friend that works in the Spyder sales community with no reason to make something up.
The folks I bought from made a fair profit and I paid a fair price.
What that dealership I dealt with wanted was simply being greedy.
PK
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