It's official gas dripping

[Magdave]

Recently I have started getting the strong gas smell after a ride. I put a paper towel under after I got home and this is what I got


I am getting so sick of this crap I have an airbag on order so I will be taking paper towels to the dealer with me. No I do not overfill I am very carefull about that.:banghead:

 

[cuznjohn]

here we go

Recently I have started getting the strong gas smell after a ride. I put a paper towel under after I got home and this is what I got


I am getting so sick of this crap I have an airbag on order so I will be taking paper towels to the dealer with me. No I do not overfill I am very carefull about that.:banghead:

things just keep getting worse, the 13's should come with life insurance for us

 

[Jeriatric]

My 2011 has always done that. Canister and purge valve replacement changed nothing. Nature of the beast. So, the spyder sets in the drive for an hour or so before going in the garage. Unfortunately from what I have read here that's BRP's answer to the problem too.

 

[Magdave]

I believe cjack placed a fuel filter at the end of the purge vent hose to stop the drip.

That sounds like a BRP fix to me I wanna do over and buyback I can't take the stress and time it is taking me to make this POS reliable do you hear me Steve? You need to call me I did not include every detail in my survey and I want my 2 rating back might be time to start lawyering up. Do I sound upset?:banghead:

 

[ivanlee]

Recently I have started getting the strong gas smell after a ride. I put a paper towel under after I got home and this is what I got


I am getting so sick of this crap I have an airbag on order so I will be taking paper towels to the dealer with me. No I do not overfill I am very carefull about that.:banghead:

This is a problem from day one with the 2008 spyder.:dontknow:

 

[Magdave]

This is a problem from day one with the 2008 spyder.:dontknow:

That does not make it right or safe and cannot be considered normal IMHO. What happens if you are sitting at a light and someone tosses a cigarette out? (see my signature)

 

[cuznjohn]

e mail

That sounds like a BRP fix to me I wanna do over and buyback I can't take the stress and time it is taking me to make this POS reliable do you hear me Steve? You need to call me I did not include every detail in my survey and I want my 2 rating back might be time to start lawyering up. Do I sound upset?:banghead:

e mail him about the lawyer that's how i got the attention

 

[flamingobabe]

2009 never dripped gasoline.......2013 well ........

 

[Magdave]

e mail him about the lawyer that's how i got the attention

I PM'ed him and included this thread :thumbup:

 

[NancysToy]

One drop of gas condensing in the short, vertical atmospheric vent hose and ending up on the ground would not be unusual for any vehicle. I will admit that the emissions system on the Spyder could have been designed better and does face some functional challenges due to location and design, but yours appears to be working as intended. Another possible solution beside the small fuel filter to absorb these drips and allow them to revaporize, would be to run an extended atmoshperic vent hose so any condensate cannot immediately run down and out. I understand that your expectations are extremely high, but this one isn't a readily fixable "flaw" unless you either accept it or conceive some sort of modification. The dealer is not allowed to modify these systems in any way.

 

[OldCowboy]

[snip] I wanna do over and buyback [snip]/QUOTE]

It ain't gonna happen. Sell your :f_spider: and go about your life.

 

[Magdave]

[snip] I wanna do over and buyback [snip]/QUOTE]

It ain't gonna happen. Sell your :f_spider: and go about your life.

I don't need that comment nor do any of us that are having problems. We shall see what happens can't sell it they are worthless thanks to BRP flooding the dealers with bikes no one wants. All I want is a bike that is safe and can run like it should instaed of one that leaks oil, was almost falling apart from the git go because it wasn't put together right, has obvious instability due to front end issues, leaks gas and oil ( and they say it is normal BS) and doesn't spontaneously combust. The fix is not proven my canister was floating around inside after the recall up against the header.I was told the insulation made it almost impossible to clip it back into the mount. If you have nothing positive or helpful to add please refrain from answering my posts in the future :thumbup:

 

[Cruzr Joe]

I don't need that comment nor do any of us that are having problems. We shall see what happens can't sell it they are worthless thanks to BRP flooding the dealers with bikes no one wants. All I want is a bike that is safe and can run like it should instaed of one that leaks oil, was almost falling apart from the git go because it wasn't put together right, has obvious instability due to front end issues, leaks gas and oil ( and they say it is normal BS) and doesn't spontaneously combust. The fix is not proven my canister was floating around inside after the recall up against the header.I was told the insulation made it almost impossible to clip it back into the mount. If you have nothing positive or helpful to add please refrain from answering my posts in the future :thumbup:

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed today




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[Magdave]

One drop of gas condensing in the short, vertical atmospheric vent hose and ending up on the ground would not be unusual for any vehicle. I will admit that the emissions system on the Spyder could have been designed better and does face some functional challenges due to location and design, but yours appears to be working as intended. Another possible solution beside the small fuel filter to absorb these drips and allow them to revaporize, would be to run an extended atmoshperic vent hose so any condensate cannot immediately run down and out. I understand that your expectations are extremely high, but this one isn't a readily fixable "flaw" unless you either accept it or conceive some sort of modification. The dealer is not allowed to modify these systems in any way.

It was a lot more than a drop yesterday Scotty. I did not have a paper towel under it but it is a 4in spot on my mat. I am sure working as intended does not include dripping gas and causing me to leave my garage open for hours to make sure my house doesn't blow up. My expectations are for it not to be a fire hazard not high ones. If I modify it and something happens will BRP stand behind it? I doubt it. I will try only things that don't conflict with federal laws. Messing with the emission system is not one of them. I see more people are reporting this issue to http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Owners/ I hope everyone does. I looked under it when I got home and could see the fuel vapors pouring from the hose you know the mirage effect and only from the hose so it is not just the liquid it is the vapors. The purge valve is supposed to draw all that back into the bike not push it out the hose.

 

[Magdave]

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed today




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Yuuup getting tired of chasing a moving target of a good reliable ride. One step forward and two backwards. Then BRP ruins the market for me to even sell it. It is a little frustrating to say the least. The hour ride I took before the drips was good though:thumbup:

 

[Cruzr Joe]

How did BRP ruin the market for resale? I think the Whiners do more damage to themselves than any one else.

Cruzr Joe


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[Magdave]

How did BRP ruin the market for resale? I think the Whiners do more damage to themselves than any one else.

Cruzr Joe


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By dumping all the 2013 for $6k off at the dealers who are selling RTL's for $22k now. By delivering an obvious defective sytem that everyone can find out about now. What do you think my $23k RT is worth now. Dealers won't even take them on trade. That is how.

 

[Cruzr Joe]

Every dealer discounts last years model when the new modela are introduced!!


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[Magdave]

Every dealer discounts last years model when the new modela are introduced!!


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Not by $6k or more. When I bought mine in June 2012 and 2011 were $2K offwithout added warranties like being offered now they didn't have any or I would have had one. How many '13s do you think will be sitting on the floors this time next year?

 

[NancysToy]

It was a lot more than a drop yesterday Scotty. I did not have a paper towel under it but it is a 4in spot on my mat. I am sure working as intended does not include dripping gas and causing me to leave my garage open for hours to make sure my house doesn't blow up. My expectations are for it not to be a fire hazard not high ones. If I modify it and something happens will BRP stand behind it? I doubt it. I will try only things that don't conflict with federal laws. Messing with the emission system is not one of them. I see more people are reporting this issue to http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Owners/ I hope everyone does. I looked under it when I got home and could see the fuel vapors pouring from the hose you know the mirage effect and only from the hose so it is not just the liquid it is the vapors. The purge valve is supposed to draw all that back into the bike not push it out the hose.

When gas hits a flat surface (or absorbant mat) or water, it spreads out to 1-2 molecules thick, so the area of the slick makes it look much worse than it is. Yours probably condensed more than a drop, if you are seeing significant fumes, but you would probably be surprised at how little gas is present.

The purge valve only directs the emissions canister vapors to the engine when it is running and certain operating conditions are met. When those conditions are not met, but the engine is running, the valve is closed. When the engine is shut off, the atmospheric vent opens. There lies the problem with the BRP system. Too little capacity, too short and vertical an atmospheric vent, and too much heat under the skin to allow the system to cool quickly and stop releasing vapors. I don't know the EPA test protocol, but I would be shocked if a real-world Spyder could pass their requirements in a real-world test. If the EPA is not concerned, however, neither am I. I don't own a vehicle that doesn't drip a little oil, water, or gas once in a while. It always came with the territory, so I don't expect them not to as they age. Obviously, most do or there would not be a dark line down the center of the freeway lanes, that gets slippery when it rains.

It is unfortunate that the Spyder does not meet your high expectations of a drip-free and pretty much perfect vehicle. That is not a slam, you are entitled to your expectations and desires, and I hope you can find a vehicle that can fulfill them. I doubt it is the Spyder....or a Harley or a Chevy or a Ford, however. I don't think the "perfect" vehicle can be a reality until you get into the upper echelon of pricing. A Lamborgini this isn't, I'm afraid. JMHO and absolutely no disrespect intended.