What are the odds? BRP Focus Group at Owner's Event.

[DR Buck]

There is a group of owners that cannot ride one of these without the handbrake and I bet BRP thinks it's covered by the isci kit. That kit is well engineered and does the best it can with what they have to work with. BUT..... it's a far cry from being perfect. The effort required to pull the lever is bad and you cannot get 100% braking force with that system. No fault of isci as I think they have the best that they can produce with what they have to work with for attachment to the spyder

I'd like to know where you got your information? Do you own one of the ISCI after market kits? I do and have no problem pulling the stock lever. And, I get 100% braking force! Yes, the optional lever ISCI offers will work better for smaller hands, but it is not necessary for everyone,

If properly installed and adjusted there is no difference in braking force applied to the wheels. The ISCI unit uses two hydraulic cylinders with the mechanical output of the second cylinder directly linked to the stock brake linkage. The force applied to the stock master cylinder by the ISCI hand brake is done by pushing the same rod that the foot brake is attached to.

I have no issue with negative comments about a product when it is truly valid and can be substantiated. But, a statement like that is just not true and is unfair to the vendors that support this site..


EDIT : I see from your signature line that you do have the ISCI hand brake, "Custom Braced". Not exactly a standard installation. I stick by my comments.

 

[Bob Denman]

Has anybody ever heard from a BRP rep exactly why they've got no interest in adding a handbrake to the Spyders?

 

[ARCTIC]

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I'd like to know where you got your information? From my own first hand extensive experience with the handbrake system. I rely on it everytime I ride my spyder. Do you own one of the ISCI after market kits? See previous response. I do and have no problem pulling the stock lever. Good for you. I can pull the brake lever too. I can also pickup heavy objects but that doesn't mean I WANT to exert that much force evertime I need full braking power. Have you ever ridden any other vehicles with handbrakes? Motorcycles, ATV's, snowmobiles, etc...? Those brakes can be 100% applied with one or 2 fingers on the lever (at least the ones I've ridden). It doesn't take half of the effort to get full lock as it does with this master cylinder pushing a slave cylinder to push on the foot pedal linkage (see I know how it works :thumbup. And, I get 100% braking force! Funny, when I call and talk to them at ISCI they didn't tell me my kit is installed incorrectly or that I'm doing anything wrong. They understood my issue :shocked:. They in fact suggested that I address the flex in the system. There's flex at the point that the ISCI slave cylinder braket bolts to the can-am foot bracket. Yes, the optional lever ISCI offers will work better for smaller hands, but it is not necessary for everyone, I never said the flaw in the system is cured by purchasing the other brake lever. As a matter of fact, I would recommend purchasing an adjustable lever if you're going to replace the stock one. Lets stay on topic here because I know you don't spend much time reading and understanding people's posts. If properly installed and adjusted there is no difference in braking force applied to the wheels. I DISAGREE and the fact that you are underlining the words "properly installed and adjusted" means you think I didn't or can't adjust it properly. I don't think I need to but to prove to you it is installed and adjusted properly but I have it completely bled of any air bubbles, the slave cylinder is adjusted to the absolute max last 1/2 thread before it clicks the brake sensor on the pedal. The full travel of the lever still leaves a little more brake pedal to be pushed. Not much but in my hard braking tests it's noticeable. The ISCI unit uses two hydraulic cylinders with the mechanical output of the second cylinder directly linked to the stock brake linkage. The force applied to the stock master cylinder by the ISCI hand brake is done by pushing the same rod that the foot brake is attached to. We're on the same page here.

I have no issue with negative comments about a product when it is truly valid and can be substantiated I have no complaints whatsoever with ISCI, their tech people or any of their products. I like my ISCI handbrake A LOT. It's the only reason I can own & Ride a Can-Am Spyder. I would recommend to every single person who owns a Spyder to install one on their machines. HOWEVER, Can-Am could easily make the spyder more friendly for a handbrake if they refuse to put one on themselves. If someway, somehow we could get the handbrake tied into the hydraulic system without reinventing the machine it would be perfect. Am I still unsubstantiated in my statements? But, a statement like that is just not true and is unfair to the vendors that support this site.. You should read my post rather than instantly thinking any suggestions for improvements are negative.


EDIT : I see from your signature line that you do have the ISCI hand brake, "Custom Braced". Not exactly a standard installation. The brace is a complimentary addition to the ISCI setup. NOT a substitution for any of the installation points or functionality of the handbrake kit. There's a picture on this thread so I don't have to waste any more time explaining what it is or what it does: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?52761-The-missing-handbrake-bracket
If you take time to read it, you'll also notice that I'm not the only one who thinks the brake system needs a little extra help. I stick by my comments. I'm pretty sure by now you know what I think of your comments.:cus: