Engine Locked Down, BRP Want Cover Under Warranty

[Trevor G]

Overfuelling a Spyder Engine Will Cool It, Overfuelling a Diesel Engine Will Cook It

..I work at a Dodge dealership and have seen over fueling issues with controllers on the Cummins Diesels...

Just in case someone misunderstands your comment...

I'm sure you weren't suggesting that the problem was caused in this case by "overfuelling" even though there was a JuiceBox fitted.

For those who aren't aware, overfuelling a petrol engine results in a richer mixture which cools the engine/cylinder head.

The reverse applies for a diesel engine, where "overfuelling " (which would be used to increase power) results in increased cylinder and exhaust temperatures and will consequently lead to engine failure if taken too far.

 

[Trevor G]

I asked my dealer about the RPM @ 11K, .... Apparently BRP can see more from B.U.D.S. than the dealers because there is no way to tell when 11k occurred or when bike overheated .

This has been going on for way too long.

If the matter has not yet been resolved you will need to apply pressure to the dealer, if BRP won't deal with you.

Everyone is stalling for time. The longer they can play it out the less likely you are to cost either of them any money.

Shame. All the best.

 

[hackett43]

Overfueling ?

Just in case someone misunderstands your comment...

I'm sure you weren't suggesting that the problem was caused in this case by "overfuelling" even though there was a JuiceBox fitted.

For those who aren't aware, overfuelling a petrol engine results in a richer mixture which cools the engine/cylinder head.

The reverse applies for a diesel engine, where "overfuelling " (which would be used to increase power) results in increased cylinder and exhaust temperatures and will consequently lead to engine failure if taken too far.

So if I'm understanding you, The Juicebox would not cause the Spyder to overheat if it was over-fueled ?

 

[Bob Denman]

That's correct. Richening up the mix does help to cool the intake charge, and thus; the top-end.
But... Having the JuiceBox gives BRP something to hang their hats on... :gaah:

 

[Chupaca]

Seems to me the dealer should tear into the engine and find the problem first. Engine tranny crank top end etc. Having worked many years in the bike industry we always started there then if needed they sent a tech to check and confirm. Changed several GSX-R engines due to the line bores for the cranks were off and pistons hit the cylinder heads. Push them to find the problem. Then work on coverage.:thumbup:

 

[Trevor G]

Don't let your dealer get away with doing nothing

So if I'm understanding you, The Juicebox would not cause the Spyder to overheat if it was over-fueled ?

Correct.

You are being stalled until you give up.

Work 'em hard, man! What's taking so long?

Your dealer is giving you the runaround big-time, I'm sorry to say.

Their action is completely inexcusable. They are no longer your friends, but you must not say that to them. Just start demanding answers and action in a friendly way. Keep calling and dropping in. Go through some of the details when there are other customers in sight, but without raising your voice or getting angry.

Call other dealers and see if they are willing to work on it for you. Find someone with some technical competence who can go with you to the dealer and get all the information - the information you have given is very patchy and suggests that you are out of your depth in dealing with this issue, as most Spyder owners porobably would be.

I get the feeling that you don't have the ready cash to do some of these things like calling a lawyer, so that means you just have to work harder in other areas. Don't threaten, but do your homework.

Isn't there a consumer organisation in the US that helps people get things done?

All the best.

 

[hackett43]

Correct.

You are being stalled until you give up.

Work 'em hard, man! What's taking so long?

Your dealer is giving you the runaround big-time, I'm sorry to say.

Their action is completely inexcusable. They are no longer your friends, but you must not say that to them. Just start demanding answers and action in a friendly way. Keep calling and dropping in. Go through some of the details when there are other customers in sight, but without raising your voice or getting angry.

Call other dealers and see if they are willing to work on it for you. Find someone with some technical competence who can go with you to the dealer and get all the information - the information you have given is very patchy and suggests that you are out of your depth in dealing with this issue, as most Spyder owners porobably would be.

I get the feeling that you don't have the ready cash to do some of these things like calling a lawyer, so that means you just have to work harder in other areas. Don't threaten, but do your homework.

Isn't there a consumer organisation in the US that helps people get things done?

All the best.

I have tried over and over to work with BRP but they have refused to cover damages under warranty. My dealer has tried also with no luck. I cannot go in to details but, Lets just say it's a long way from being over.

 

[hackett43]

Seems to me the dealer should tear into the engine and find the problem first. Engine tranny crank top end etc. Having worked many years in the bike industry we always started there then if needed they sent a tech to check and confirm. Changed several GSX-R engines due to the line bores for the cranks were off and pistons hit the cylinder heads. Push them to find the problem. Then work on coverage.:thumbup:

That has already been done, Dealer found broken bolt on the connecting rod. But they couldn't determine what exactly caused the engine to lock down, But it wasn't the fuel controller. BRP is saying that i over revved at 11k rpms.

 

[ataDude]

... BRP is saying that i over revved at 11k rpms.

Then, BRP's own internal rev limiter is at fault!

 

[Bob Denman]

Unless it was a missed shift that pegged it up that high... :yikes:
But I believe that this has also been addressed in here.

 

[dave01]

Then, BRP's own internal rev limiter is at fault!

I agree, if it went over the limit, then it was mechanical failure.