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Hindle, Backfire, JB Pro, Filter Questions.. Please HELP a New Spyder owner.
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WAR209
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Just checked things out. The AAPTS is there where it's supposed to be.
NancysToy
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It's down below the sensor. Can't see it in the picture, and often not by looking without a strong light and just the right angle. If they are bolted in the proper place, they usually have the cover...but not always.
WAR209
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I'm starting to feel I'm gonna have nothing but problems with this JBP if I install it. I REALLY don't feel like constantly having to tweak settings I know nothing about & hoping for the best. Too Rich, Too Lean, error codes, engine damage, engine cutting off at full throttle, tweaking if it's too cold out, tweaking if its too hot out....:banghead:
I looked-up the PC5 with autotune that a few of you suggested, but it's WAY too expensive for me.
Are these potential JBP issues a normal trial & error kinda thing, experienced by everyone? Or are they only experienced to folks without a TwoBros. exhaust & map to match?
For example.... If I were to trash my Hindle & purchase a Two Bros. Dual or Single exhaust, with a Green Filter, & use the appropriate map for these exact items, Would I STILL need to tweak the JBP settings??
Is Dyno tuning with my Hindle installed the answer??? If so, it that an expensive process to undergo?
I'm looking for the Ronko Grill result. I just wanna Set it, & Forget It!... I bought this machine to Ride & Enjoy life. Not to sit in my garage tweaking every other day.
I looked-up the PC5 with autotune that a few of you suggested, but it's WAY too expensive for me.
Are these potential JBP issues a normal trial & error kinda thing, experienced by everyone? Or are they only experienced to folks without a TwoBros. exhaust & map to match?
For example.... If I were to trash my Hindle & purchase a Two Bros. Dual or Single exhaust, with a Green Filter, & use the appropriate map for these exact items, Would I STILL need to tweak the JBP settings??
Is Dyno tuning with my Hindle installed the answer??? If so, it that an expensive process to undergo?
I'm looking for the Ronko Grill result. I just wanna Set it, & Forget It!... I bought this machine to Ride & Enjoy life. Not to sit in my garage tweaking every other day.
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
In my opinion, switching the combination to be the same as one of their maps will not get you away from the tweaking. It may well get you closer to begin with, without a lot of initial fiddling around. The maps are settings that worked with a certain combination, on a certain day, under certain conditions. When the conditions change from that moment (or the equipment changes) the map setting are off a bit. If the conditions change a lot, the maps can be off a lot. Air temperatures, for instance, can change 100 degrees seasonally, and 20 or more degrees from morning until the afternoon. At some point they match the conditions when the maps were derived, and the rest of the time they don't. You might not notice day-to day, but you likely will month to month. Performance tuning is not a set it and forget it sort of thing. It takes constant fiddling to stay in top tune, or electronic/mechanical systems that do it for you. If all you want to do is get rid of the popping of the Hindle, you could easily set the JBP to a relatively rich setting, and be OK without fiddling, after the initial trial-and-error setup. Tt will run rich, though, waste gas, may stink, and could end up with backfiring in the muffler if extremely rich. Only you can decide how much of your time, effort, and money is worth the results. Fine tuning takes all three, "close enough" takes less, but is less precise.
WAR209
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Ok.... So riddle me this... Is the PCV with Autotune considered a Set-it-&-Forget-it solution? I'm sure it requires initial fiddling.... But after the initial set-up, will it adjust on it's own based on the environmental variances you mentioned? Cause if so, I'm just about ready to just pull the trigger on it..
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
The way I understand it, the PCV w/ Autotune does adjust itself better, but the autotune feature actually just stores data so you can download it later to fine tune the mapping. Nothing existing today is plug-n-play and completely hands off, but the PCV w/ Autotone makes the tuning job much easier and less frequent or time consuming...plus it removes the guesswork.
WAR209
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Decision Made!!
I'll be returning the JBP as soon as it arrives & purchasing the PCV with Autotune later this week. Thank you & everyone else for your recommendations & explanations. (It was extremely helpful) . I'll be researching the threads for details on installing the PC5/Autotune set-up. I'd like to tackle most of the install myself, but I understand there's an O2 sensor "bung" that needs to be welded to the Y pipe. (I'll likely leave that to a pro) Hopefully the instructions are detailed enough for me to follow once I get in there & see the :spyder2: in its birthday suit.
I'm a huge DIY'er & borderline OCD when it comes to getting things done the right way.
ray: Man I hope I can do this with no issues.... Last resort, take it to a shop for install..
I'll be returning the JBP as soon as it arrives & purchasing the PCV with Autotune later this week. Thank you & everyone else for your recommendations & explanations. (It was extremely helpful) . I'll be researching the threads for details on installing the PC5/Autotune set-up. I'd like to tackle most of the install myself, but I understand there's an O2 sensor "bung" that needs to be welded to the Y pipe. (I'll likely leave that to a pro) Hopefully the instructions are detailed enough for me to follow once I get in there & see the :spyder2: in its birthday suit.
I'm a huge DIY'er & borderline OCD when it comes to getting things done the right way.
ray: Man I hope I can do this with no issues.... Last resort, take it to a shop for install..
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napper39
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WAR209
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:gaah:Yeah... It bites Hiney.... Who knows... Maybe the guys who created it, have a patent on it. Or maybe the JBP & PCV folks put a hit out on them, so we have no other choice but spend $$$ for a fix.
major911
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I'll be returning the JBP as soon as it arrives & purchasing the PCV with Autotune later this week. Thank you & everyone else for your recommendations & explanations. (It was extremely helpful) . I'll be researching the threads for details on installing the PC5/Autotune set-up. I'd like to tackle most of the install myself, but I understand there's an O2 sensor "bung" that needs to be welded to the Y pipe. (I'll likely leave that to a pro) Hopefully the instructions are detailed enough for me to follow once I get in there & see the :spyder2: in its birthday suit.
I'm a huge DIY'er & borderline OCD when it comes to getting things done the right way.
I've actually seen the PC 5 with auto tune on ebay for about $500 thats a good price for both.
WAR209
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Yeah.. that's about the lowest I can find too. (give or take a couple dollars). Any recommendations from folks on the best filter to use, since I've going with the PCV /w Autotune?
K&N??? Green Filter??? Other..?
WAR209
New member
Thanks Phantom. I found the package deal for a little under $500 delivered. PC5 with Autotune arrived a few days ago. Took 2 days to get everything installed. Including 2 seperate trips to 2 different welders for the dang o2 senor bung. I admit that I'm a bit OSD, & extremely anal... correction.... a bit of a perfectionist..., but the 1st guy's work looked like he was practicing his first weld while blindfolded. Also Woulda been nice for the autotune instructions to be a bit more specific about where to tap the main power lead. Anywho.. It's all done.
Loaded map M25-004-005 as my base. Went for my first long ride this morning before work. Opened her up on the highway. Tried to push it so the autotune can get a good map built for the first run. Haven't yet looked at or accepted the trim table, but I gotta say... WOW :2thumbs:
Not 1 pop, not 1 backfire, not 1 sputter or spit. It runs Strong & SMOOOth as Butta. :yes:
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