Attempt to steal Spyder

[Firefly]

Pertaining to the spyder being taken from the yard.....for me the best action would be to try and have the thieves caught and arrested by the proper authorities---

Wait just a dang minute here... :shocked: You don't trust the LEOs to write out a speeding ticket for you accurately; yet you'll have them investigate a crime against your property??? :roflblack:
Fly, It almost sounds as if you're trying to bait hooks AND swim with the bass at the same time... :thumbup:

Now hold the phone a minute bro. When did I EVER say I didn't trust the cops to write out a speeding ticket properly????

Sure they do-- they do it all the time---- and they get my speed correct too----- but that doesn't mean I'm not going to fight the ticket and try to use the legal system in an attempt to get a dismissal or deferral.

Ever stop to think if the cops weren't busy writing stupid speeding tickets (revenue enhancement) they could spend more time responding to REAL crimes like people trying to steal Spyders???

 

[spyder3]

Now hold the phone a minute bro. When did I EVER say I didn't trust the cops to write out a speeding ticket properly????

Sure they do-- they do it all the time---- and they get my speed correct too----- but that doesn't mean I'm not going to fight the ticket and try to use the legal system in an attempt to get a dismissal or deferral.

Ever stop to think if the cops weren't busy writing stupid speeding tickets (revenue enhancement) they could spend more time responding to REAL crimes like people trying to steal Spyders???

Thats exactly what the real criminals do also. So when you say leave it to the system or the police and not defending your property the very same thing happens. Beat the system no matter what it takes.

 

[Bob Denman]

Sure they do-- they do it all the time---- and they get my speed correct too----- but that doesn't mean I'm not going to fight the ticket and try to use the legal system in an attempt to get a dismissal or deferral.

:shocked: I hope that none of your new friends who hear all of your court cases read the above statement,,, If they did; you're screwed! :roflblack:

 

[Firefly]

:shocked: I hope that none of your new friends who hear all of your court cases read the above statement,,, If they did; you're screwed! :roflblack:

Why???

It's no big secret how the courts work. The judges and prosecutors know exactly what we want. So do the cops. We want the points to stay off our driving record.

And what do the courts, cops and prosecutors want????

MONEY. Period.

Got two deferrals this week BTW. You just need to know how to call their bluff and all they really want is some more $$$ to get rid of the points.

 

[Bob Denman]

...We want the points to stay off our driving record...

SSHHHH... I've got a secret for you...
If you want to keep the points off of your driving record; just don't do what keeps landing you in front of the Robes! :thumbup: :roflblack:
:roflblack::roflblack:

I really dig keeping my Life simple; and they wouldn't appreciate my sense of humor anyway!

 

[Firefly]

Thats exactly what the real criminals do also. So when you say leave it to the system or the police and not defending your property the very same thing happens. Beat the system no matter what it takes.

While our legal system isn't perfect... it's about the best in the world... at least in theory. Sure people will try to use every way possible to get off.... wouldn't you if you were charged with a crime? Or are you telling me you wouldn't take a plea deal for a lesser sentence before you actually go to court? C'mon..... They offer such deals to clear the court dockets up.. along with signing the offenders up for programs to try and keep them from becoming repeat offenders. Unfortunately many (perhaps even most) will become repeat offenders and eventually do real jail time.

No real easy answer to it all.. even the poster who mentioned having his trailer stolen admitted that everyone on the street had guns and CCW's ... so that in itself didn't deter the theft.

Try and protect your property as good as you can... lock it up... insure it.... etc..... and try and do what you can to get those committing the crime arrested. Or just go shoot them and take your chances.

I know which path I'll take. Best of luck to those taking the other path.. which I'm thinking most really wouldn't do...... very much bravado going around.....

 

[dliszews]

Didn't they use to hang horse thieves? Ahhhh the good old days.

 

[guinness]

Caught

A few years back I actually chased down and stopped the husband and wife team that were trying to break into my new truck. As I approched them he tried to run me over and the chase started. I folled them thru alley ways and parking lots as they tried to get away. 911 told me to stop chasing them now that I had given a full description and plate numbers. I did as soon as I saw jonny law was behind me... he stopped me and let the piece of crap continue down the road.

Long story short...
Cops:, "you have insurance?"
Me: YES
Cops: "just fill out a claim"
Me: What about the info I just gave you?
Cops: We'll check into it.

They arrested the husband who has a long history of stealing and such (public record). I'm out of pocket my deductable and can only sue him to get it back. Never saw the money and he was out of jail the same day. Scum like them don't have money or they wouldn't be stealing for you.

It may not be worth shooting someone (something) but man-o-man if he had to walk around with a gimp the rest of his life because his knee was blown to pieces it would be a constant reminder of not to :cus: with another mans property.

 

[DR Buck]

It may not be worth shooting someone (something) but man-o-man if he had to walk around with a gimp the rest of his life because his knee was blown to pieces it would be a constant reminder of not to :cus: with another mans property.

:2thumbs:

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: :gaah: :banghead: Drives you nuts; huh?

 

[Knarfoh]

Dave, you're right about it being a stupid target, but you're giving the criminals way too much credit regarding intelligence.

My prior motorcycle was a Honda Goldwing. It was stolen and I was advised by the police and my insurance company that if it was not recovered within a few days to a week, consider it gone for good.

Two weeks lapsed and I called my insurance company to finalize the settlement. My agent was not in so I left a message. Later that same day, the police called and asked me to meet them at a location where they believed my motorcycle was located. I immediately drove over and found my Goldwing tucked in an alley garage behind a house in an older neighborhood.

I asked the police - "How did you find it?"

Apparently, the guy who stole it was gay and he and his boyfriend had a fight. The thief chased his boyfriend out of the house they shared. The boyfriend called the police and asked for an escort back to the house so he could recover his few personal belongings.

As he left the house with his possessions, he turned to the officer and said "Oh, by the way - He has a stolen motorcycle in his garage."

Except to put my stolen motorcycle on a hot sheet - the police really have no way of investigating these thefts. As more stolen vehicles are reported, your stolen vehicle slowly disappears to the back pages and eventually off the list (it is still listed stolen in motor vehicle databases and will remain there)..

Thank god for thieves being stupid and/or aggravating someone to the point they turn them in.....

 

[Knarfoh]

They arrested the husband who has a long history of stealing and such (public record). I'm out of pocket my deductable and can only sue him to get it back. Never saw the money and he was out of jail the same day. Scum like them don't have money or they wouldn't be stealing for you.

In my case, as a condition of parole, the thief was required to pay me back my deductible. My motorcycle was recovered but they put scratches all over it (Honda Goldwing). The thief was a former Viet Nam veteran and he really was pretty old and decrepit. No one wanted to send him to jail. He got parole, but did have to pay me back (or go to jail). The trick is to talk to the prosecutor's office BEFORE they agree on sentencing. Unfortunately (as you found out), many of these people spend very little time in jail. I am convinced if I had not been pro-active, the prosecutor's office would have agreed to parole only.

The assistant county prosecutor walked into the the courtroom with numerous case files under his arm. I am convinced he had not even reviewed them before he appeared in court that morning to represent people like me - victims.

If you have nothing better to do - I recommend you go down and pick a courtroom on a Monday morning. They fly through the cases (everything that happened over the weekend). A lot of drunk driving. A lot of drug cases. A lot of domestic violence cases. A lot of petty theft. A lot of white trash and cheap black hood wannabees. The only people I felt sorry for were the well dressed individuals who got busted for DUI. Sobered up, they looked like nice people.

 

[Firefly]

In my case, as a condition of parole, the thief was required to pay me back my deductible. My motorcycle was recovered but they put scratches all over it (Honda Goldwing). The thief was a former Viet Nam veteran and he really was pretty old and decrepit. No one wanted to send him to jail. He got parole, but did have to pay me back (or go to jail). The trick is to talk to the prosecutor's office BEFORE they agree on sentencing. Unfortunately (as you found out), many of these people spend very little time in jail. I am convinced if I had not been pro-active, the prosecutor's office would have agreed to parole only.

The assistant county prosecutor walked into the the courtroom with numerous case files under his arm. I am convinced he had not even reviewed them before he appeared in court that morning to represent people like me - victims.

If you have nothing better to do - I recommend you go down and pick a courtroom on a Monday morning. They fly through the cases (everything that happened over the weekend). A lot of drunk driving. A lot of drug cases. A lot of domestic violence cases. A lot of petty theft. A lot of white trash and cheap black hood wannabees. The only people I felt sorry for were the well dressed individuals who got busted for DUI. Sobered up, they looked like nice people.

What you would be seeing on a Monday morning for things that happened over the weeekend.is just an arraignment.... just a quick reading of the charges, etc... you don't even plead guilty or not..... they read the charges.. simple crimes they let you go and assign a court date..... bigger crimes may require bail, etc.....

You are still innocent at that point. You have been charged, but then you have your day(s) in court to determine your guilt.

The real action doesn't come for months later.....

 

[Knarfoh]

What you would be seeing on a Monday morning for things that happened over the weeekend.is just an arraignment.... just a quick reading of the charges, etc... you don't even plead guilty or not..... they read the charges.. simple crimes they let you go and assign a court date..... bigger crimes may require bail, etc.....

You are still innocent at that point. You have been charged, but then you have your day(s) in court to determine your guilt.

The real action doesn't come for months later.....

Yes.. on Monday mornings... those are arraignments. But, there is "wheeling and dealing" between the court, the prosecutor & defense attorneys even at this stage.

In my case (the theft of my Goldwing), the defendant plead "innocent". Anyone represented by an attorney will do so. Hell, most defense attorneys have not even "met" with their clients prior to their arraignment, especially on a Monday morning.

The case was scheduled for trial about a month and half later. At this point, the prosecutor and the defense attorneys will meet to "discuss" the case. It is at this point, you (the victim) gets left out unless you are vigilant. Hell, all they are trying to do (court, prosecutor & defense attorney) is minimize trial dates and court time taken up on cases where the defendant is "clearly" guilty (but technically still innocent until a trial proves otherwise). That is where there often are convictions (but no jail time); reduced charges; etc. My interest was to recoup my costs. I contacted the assistant prosecutor and spoke with him as well as put my issues in writing to the County Prosecutor's office. As the owner of the motorcycle, I was scheduled to be a witness in the trial so I was kept informed of trial dates.

The gentleman was convicted of "receiving stolen goods" and placed on 5 year probation. As a condition of the probation, he was to make full restitution of my "insurance deductible" which was $500.

 

[boborgera]

Reading all these posts about shooting first and asking questions later.
I was at Tug Hill NY this week end and a few miles north a father and son were on a vacation, The father went to their motel room first and went to bed, The the son came in much latter, The father thought someone was breaking in and shot his son dead,
The father is a cop. Once you pull that trigger that bullet isn't coming back.